New Ap Item Potential

ModAcademy Kayn··2 votes·1,116 views

Item 3285 (3100g) •Needlessly Large Rod + Aether Wisp + 650g

•+120 Ability Power •+7% Movement Speed •UNIQUE Passive: Gain charges upon moving or casting. At 100 charges, the next spell hit expends all charges to deal 100 (+15% AP) bonus magic damage to up to 4 targets on hit.

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24 Comments

Irelia Bot1 votes

Well um... when was the last time you actually saw karth being played?

I only ever see him anymore as more of a mess around jungle pick.

GanksLikeGast0n1 votes

While this does indirectly buff Karthus' ult, it really doesn't do that much more for it. Should you somehow manage to hit 1000 AP, which is exceedingly difficult since you are not Veigar, it still only adds 250 to his ult's damage.

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

But let us think here. If the static shiv proc is proc'd per ability hit on a champ, hitting 5 enemies who are grouped, will expend that damage to each and every person nearby. So if it hits all 5 while they're near eachother, 250 + shivs 100 will be doing 350 damage to each person nearby. 5 hits will hit 4 other people for 350, meaning one person would be hit 4 times by the excess damage for 350 x 4 equaling 1400 plus Requiem damage.

Math might be horribly wrong but we'll see

GanksLikeGast0n1 votes

Its actually 150+shiv 100, giving the total of 250, but no worries. :)

You do raise an interesting point though, I'm not sure how it prioritizes targets upon AOE spell damage. It seems like a major health risk to have it proc off of every target hit in the AOE and then arc to four additional targets per proc. I am unsure how they would determine the primary target for the lightning proc.

XaviorZeroBlazer1 votes

just think of this on TwistedFate withitem 3100 .

ModAcademy Kayn2 votes

Or will Viktor advance his Glorius Evolution! Viktor item 3100

Terabyte Marine1 votes

While it does provide the potential bonus damage on hit, it doesn't provide all that much extra damage for most champs. Because it doesn't take into consideration mana usage, it charges fairly slow on champions that don't consistently cast spells. I would suggest riot changes the way the item gains charges to that similar to a tear (on spell casts and mana usage instead of moving and casting), but on any form of resource usage to keep it's usefulness to energy users.

ModAcademy Kayn2 votes

I believe the item itself is meant for those Spammers or those who can kite/need help kiting like Syndra TwistedFate Viktor Diana (Not sure with Diana, but I wanna try it)

Terabyte Marine2 votes

It's also supposed to replace dfg in the 120 ap slot. Because of this, I think it should be useful to all ap champs rather than just a select few.

Abyssphere1 votes

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It's also supposed to replace dfg in the 120 ap slot. Because of this, I think it should be useful to all ap champs rather than just a select few.

But DFG was a rather niche item itself.

Terabyte Marine1 votes

True, but in it's current state, it feels a bit underwhelming. It could be that visually it doesn't have any effect yet, but from what I've tested it feels a bit slow and unlike static shiv, it can't get anywhere close to an additional 400 damage (highest I've gotten to is a bonus 300 damage on spell cast that's with 5 dragons on a normal build for a mage). Maybe that's a good thing so it stops all ap champs from becoming like leblanc or maybe it will be just an item to get when you want to have a third 120 ap item that's not zhonyas or deathcap. Right now, it feels like a slower triforce on spell cast.

Lord Dusteon1 votes

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True, but in it's current state, it feels a bit underwhelming. It could be that visually it doesn't have any effect yet, but from what I've tested it feels a bit slow and unlike static shiv, it can't get anywhere close to an additional 400 damage (highest I've gotten to is a bonus 300 damage on spell cast that's with 5 dragons on a normal build for a mage). Maybe that's a good thing so it stops all ap champs from becoming like leblanc or maybe it will be just an item to get when you want to have a third 120 ap item that's not zhonyas or deathcap. Right now, it feels like a slower triforce on spell cast.

Statick Shiv has a base 100 that can crit, doing up to 250 total damage with IE.

Terabyte Marine1 votes

Yea, my bad. I had a misconception about the base damage, I thought it was 150 not 100. In that case, it does decent damage. I think the scaling could be upped by 5%-15%, because it can take a while to proc it again (it definitely isn't a dps item).

Edit: It's in a good spot to be balanced, I would like to see many changes to it to see how it fares.

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

But not all AP champs used DFG. And compared to less spamy mages, spam mages didn't have much going for them in terms of items. They had Tear. That's it

Terabyte Marine1 votes

My hope is that it's* useful* to all ap oriented champs, right now it doesn't feel that way. (doesn't have to be perfect for everyone)

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

They're gonna need to nerf Ahri more. That's all I have to say about it.

insaiyanbacca1 votes

im just thinking what i could do on annie with this item...

Terabyte Marine1 votes

I was thinking of how well it would be on swain...

Then I tested it and the item didn't gain stacks while I was ulting with zhonyas active. item 3070 There goes my hopes and dreams...

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

Anyone try this with Singed? Extra MS and gas cloud would seem really good.

Kilane1 votes

Another nerf to Ahri and Nid incoming the patch after they introduce those new AP items and more QQ

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

Nid yes, but I don't think ahri would be able to take as much use for it then you'd think. But what do I know.

Kilane1 votes

Oh Ahri would benefits from this items alot. She moves and kite alot especially to get the rebound orb to hit. When the Q is ult, what Ahri does this patch is to move more to land charm and W which shoot out 3 shots.

It's 120AP

combo it with

Gain charges upon moving or casting. At 100 charges, the next spell hit expends all charges to deal 100 (+15% AP) bonus magic damage to up to 4 targets on hit.

next spell hit expends all charges to deal 100 (+15% AP) bonus magic damage to up to 4 targets on hit.

GG NO RE PERMA BAN!

Thanotos Omega1 votes

Wont this also be spiffy for Evelynn Cassiopeia Sona

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

Did not think of Eve. Thats gonna be fun. Just faced a Sona on PBE who used the item. Seemed good for her. I play Cass and my final item always varies. Will try this soon.

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