Vayne is a tumor

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Armor cant do anything when she crits you with IE+Shiv ffs. Dominik cuts your armor like butter. Her ult gives her bonus ad. Her invisibility has no counterplay. Talk to me when a Vayne Q crits you for 1000+ damage.

1000 damage. Really?

I don't think you understand what you're saying here.

Assuming that Vayne had just IE and shiv, the tank player should probably have some armor items and around 200 armor, which means that they're taking 1/3 of all physical damage.

While this isn't going to be true, for the purposes of this exercise let's say our tank has 0 MR, just so we can factor in max damage from the shiv crit of 250, meaning that vayne must now crit the tank for 750 damage, between her crit and max rank tumble damage.

To calculate we'll use this formula (where x represents Vayne's AD):

(x * 2.5 + x * .7) / 3 = 750

Now we must determine x.

750 * 3 = 2250

x * 2.5 + x * .7 = x * 3.2

2250 / 3.2 = x = 703.125

So, this prospective Vayne would need 703ish Ad to accomplish this. Ah but the armor penetration you say. Ok. Let's give vayne the penetration armor item, but incrase the tanks armor since both need more gold. Vayne now has 45% bonus armor penetration vs our tanks armor of 280 of which 60 is base and a 15% physical damage amp. So our tank's effective armor vs vayne is (280 - 60) * .55 + 60 = 181. This changes our armor reduction accordingly:

100 / (100 + 181) = 0.36

So he's now taking a little more than a third of the total damage. Let's factor this into the previous equation, adding in the damage amp from Lord Dominics!

((x * 2.5 + x * .7) * 1.15) * 0.36 = 750

750 / (1.15 * 0.36) = 1811.59

1811 / 3.2 = 566.12

Well now, with our armor penetration item, Vayne now only needs around 566.12 total AD to crit for 1000 against our 0 mr tank!

In all seriousness, no Vayne's are gonna come close to that amount of ad, and tanks can very easily exceed 300 armor. So no, she's not gonna physical crit you for all the damages. But if she does throw all her gold into being able to break through armor, she should receive some reward from it no?

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TTK (time to kill?) Well, you see If I build Armor and HP, I SHOULD live longer the more of those stats I have, I mean I would literally be investing In items that give me no killing power in terms of damage, in order to NOT be killed

Yes, and these items are doing exactly that. Vayne's damage is split between her auto attack damage and her silver bolts. At max level of silver bolts it does 12% of max hp per 3 attacks.

If you had some kind of super armor that negated all damage but true damage, it would take her 27 attacks (it actually goes to 25, but since silver bolts only proc every 3rd hit you have to round up) to kill you. Even at the maximum attack speed of 2.5, it would take her 10.8 seconds to kill you: and that's if she is allowed to do nothing but stand around and auto attack you for the full time. If you ARE a tank, that is more than enough time for you to land a hard engage, or run, and more to the point, there's no reason you should simply stand there and take Vayne auto attacks - every jump you perform, even every move she dodges reduces the amount of silver bolt procs she's able to attain.

Granted, there is no such super armor, but all armor you get will increase the resistance to the physical component of her damage, which is the thing she is most optimizing towards.

But yes, you should expect that, if you do nothing else but stand around and absorb Vayne auto attacks, you have a maximum time to live of 10.8 seconds.

Yet Should still kill me in virtually the same amount of time?? Yeah, clearly makes a lot of sense, good design. Late game hyper carries?? WOO, Lets bring back marksman update while we're at at.

There are no hypercarries in league. What Riot likes to call hyper carries are helpless babies compared to a real hard carry.

So, in all honestly, as a full tank, as the front line for your team, you can expect to be dead in 3 seconds during a team fight, especially if vayne isn't the only champion focusing you.

There's no reason for this to be the case unless you're literally in the middle of their team taking attacks, and if you are, you should be using your full engage ability, and your team should be following up. Also, if Vayne is close enough to be autoing you, she's super vulnerable - she must sustain fire to do her damage. Which puts her in range for your carry champions.

That said, I do know the tanks pain of getting the full team AOE stun and having your team run away. If that's where this is coming from, I feel you buddy. T_T

And If you are a squishy, you can expect to be 2 shot With that Final hour-tumble-IE Crit +Shiv Crit.

If you're a squishy and you're that close to Vayne without any form of stun or burst combo or even just your probably deserved to die there.

it would get her winrate down by 15%

Perhaps, but compensation would be needed for certain. It would make her worse than pre buff vayne.