I don't understand why people think Yasuo's kit is loaded

Cloud273·Mar 16, 2017·4 votes·850 views

He doesn't have stealth, true damage, untargetability, or other stupid mechanics with zero counterplay. The cooldown on windwall is WAY too long, and 99% of the time he can't even use his ult. Plus, his base hp is terrible and so is his passive. Finally, his crits don't even do 100% damage, unlike Tryndamere, who gets 35% crit chance at level 1!

Yasuo used to be broken, back when he didn't even need to ult to get the bonus armor pen from his ult. But people cried and Riot removed it. Whether you're willing to admit it or not, this was a HUGE nerf to Yasuo. You have absolutely no right to complain after Riot gutted him as hard as they did. If anything he deserves buffs of some sort (shorter cooldown on windwall, higher base hp, etc) to compensate for all the damage he lost.

18 Comments

Lil Lewd WitchMar 16, 20172 votes

You're heavily construing facts, friend.

Yasuo isn't OP, he is just a very heavy snowball character that can roll over teams that don't play around him.

But saying things like "Tryn gets 35% at level 1%" is absurd. He can get UP TO that much if he's allowed to hit that much and get a full stack, which would be very hard to do at level 1 without taking damage in return.

If you want people to listen to you, bullshit and over exaggerating won't do it.

Cloud273Mar 16, 20171 votes

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You're heavily construing facts, friend.

Yasuo isn't OP, he is just a very heavy snowball character that can roll over teams that don't play around him.

But saying things like "Tryn gets 35% at level 1%" is absurd, he CAN reach that much if he's allowed to hit that much and get a full stack, which would be very hard to do at level 1 without taking damage in return.

If you want people to listen to you, bullshit and over exaggerating won't do it.

How is this bullsh*t exactly? Everything I said is true. And you literally just agreed with me in your post. You said so yourself, "Yasuo isn't OP".

Lil Lewd WitchMar 16, 20171 votes

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How is this bullsh*t exactly? Everything I said is true. And you literally just agreed with me in your post. You said so yourself, "Yasuo isn't OP".

I never said I was disagreeing with you...

You're very sensitive, apparently lol

I was telling you your method in trying to say something is heavily flawed.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMar 16, 20172 votes

he can be untargetable when he is ulting ...

he has super high mobility, a shield, a windwall, a knockup, free crit chance , he cd reduction on his Q if it hits target up to 66% cdr , free damage multipler in his dash (E ) that goes up for each time he does increasing by 25% for 5 seconds and when he does ult he gets 50% bonus armor pen

yea sounds really fair and balanced

Trash MammaIMar 16, 20172 votes

What I don't get is why people claim Yasuo to be overloaded yet will defend Riven as if she isn't when she's Yasuo but worse

agbudarMar 16, 20172 votes

ok ehm wow?

passive shield generator + double crit it starts here the fact that he has 2 passives.

Q. basically infinite auto attack reset aoe and has a knock up. ow it does damage as well. W its a fukkin wall. E. infinite dashes in a team fight retarded damage makes him have zero counters when played right. R 50% bonus armor pen for 15 seconds to anyone hit by his ult!!!!!! extends any knock up by 1 seconds

HAS A 30 SECOND COOLDOWN WITHOUT ANY CDR AT LVL 3 THIS MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO FUKKIN SENSE.

everyone is bitchin about his wind wall that has a 26-18 second cooldown yet his fukkin ult which is the same as a malphite ult has a 30 SECOND COOLDOWN. HOW THE FUK, WHY THE FUK, WHAT THE FUK!!!!

the only ability thats not stupidly overloaded is his Q which surprisingly is the only part of his kit that requires skill.

a point can be made about 90% of the bulshit of his kit its not the numbers its the mechanics involved that make him an aggravation to play against.

your skill level does not count only the skill level of the yassuo is what counts when you fight him. and that is the bullshit that is yassuo.

SintamaMar 16, 20171 votes

It's 50% bonus armor pen that directly affects your opponent's runes and masteries. Literally read the tooltip. It affects your opponent's runes and masteries. If you have 9 Armor Seals, you actually have 4 1/2 if Yasuo ults you.

agbudarMar 16, 20172 votes

ofc it affects runes and masteries it also affects all your items

follow your own advice

bonus armor means everything you get on top of your base armor

LadyRenlyMar 16, 20172 votes

yasuo is a lane bully who scales into a late game carry who has decent utility( knockup, possible aoe suspension, windwall) so you cant go wrong...

QuephaMar 16, 20171 votes

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true damage

He might as well with 50% bonus armor pen. That makes buying resistances against him more worthless than it is against a lot of champions with literal true damage.

untargetability

His wall is basically the same as being untargetable for a massive portion of the cast except it also protects his allies. It's a ridiculously powerful form of utility that gives a powerful fallback option to a champion who has enough strengths on the rest of the kit that he frankly has no excuse for not getting either kills or massive amounts of farm in lane.

Mecha MaIphiteMar 16, 20175 votes

I'm not a fan of Yasuo either but this is just hyperbolic to the point where it's just meaningless.

If he has 50% bonus armor pen, that's 50%. That isn't going to negate your armor by any means, especially if you have tabi's or randuin's. Not to mention you still actually have armor. It's also only after he ults; as low as the cooldown is, that means that the rest of the time, armor affects his damage just like everyone else.

And no, his wall is not untargetability. It is really strong for a basic ability, but it is also stationary, and does not stop people from walking through or sidestepping the wall. It is far from "basically the same as being untargetable", even against ranged champions.

QuephaMar 16, 20171 votes

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I'm not a fan of Yasuo either but this is just hyperbolic to the point where it's just meaningless.

If he has 50% bonus armor pen, that's 50%. That isn't going to negate your armor by any means, especially if you have tabi's or randuin's. Not to mention you still actually have armor.

No champion in the game has 50% of their damage coming from true damage. My statement wasn't hyperbolic in the least: Buying damage resistance is more worthless against Yasuo than it is against most champions who have true damage.

And no, his wall is not untargetability. It is really strong for a basic ability, but it is also stationary, and does not stop people from walking through or sidestepping the wall.

and it doesn't have as short a duration as fizz's or make you immobile like zhonya's, but it does still squash ults under its boot and neutralize damage he would take from being caught in what most champions would consider out of position. It stops a lot of targeted damage, it stops a lot of skillshots even though they would be easy for him to dodge with his nonsensical mobility, it is in the same tier of B.S. as untargetability.

Mecha MaIphiteMar 16, 20173 votes

I dont think you get how armor works. A 50% reduction in armor is not the same as having half your damage converted to true damage; it decreases the armor and calculates the value based on that. And again, it's only available after his ult. (and that's bonus armor pen, too)

And so you admit his wall isn't the same as being untargetable.

QuephaMar 16, 20171 votes

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I dont think you get how armor works. A 50% reduction in armor is not the same as having half your damage converted to true damage; it decreases the armor and calculates the value based on that. And again, it's only available after his ult. (and that's bonus armor pen, too)

And so you admit his wall isn't the same as being untargetable.

if you buy 10 armor it is worth a 10% extension of your effective hp against physical damage if it is true damage the armor does nothing armor is worth 0% against true damage if the damage has 50% armor pen then your 10 armor is treated as 5 armor which is a 5% extension of your effective hp armor is worth 50% against 50% armor pen if 50% of a champion's damage is true damage and 50% is physical then your effective hp is extended by 10% against 50% their damage and 0% on the other 50% armor is worth 50% against a champion that deals 50% physical and 50% true damage armor is as useful against a champion who deals 50% of their damage as true damage as it is against a champion who ignores 50% of armor

if you're a big slow tank who has the budget for armor then you will be hit by a knockup eventually and Yasuo will ignore 50% of your armor because he will have 100% crit because that is easy for a Yasuo. There's no reason for Yasuo to fight you under any other circumstances and he is one of the most mobile champions in the game so it makes no sense for you to be able to catch him under any other circumstances.

Spicy RiceMar 16, 20171 votes

What a surprise, a slayer is able to take out tanks

Next you'll be telling me that you recently discovered the earth revolves around the sun

QuephaMar 16, 20171 votes

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What a surprise, a slayer is able to take out tanks

and adcs... and mages... and assassins... and divers... and other skirmishers... and he's also strong in lane... and in ganks... and when getting ganked... and roaming to gank... and team fights... and split pushing... and when ahead... and when behind...

but he's weak when the player doesn't know how to play him!

Spicy RiceMar 16, 20171 votes

Slayers are meant to be able to take out anyone, given that they use their tools correctly.

He is strong levels 1 and 2 in lane, falls off a bit in mid game, and come back with a vengence late game.

Only good in teamfights if he lands a 3-5 man knockup, or his team is built around him.

He is good as a splitpusher, but thats kinda his job anyways.

It is sincerely difficult to deal with ganks as yasuo. Unless they are trying to gank you under your own turret, you generally don't have much of a way of getting out, other than dancing through them.

Cloud273Mar 16, 20171 votes

You realize that he only gets the bonus armor pen if he ults, and like 99% of the time he's not even able to ult. I'd also like to mention the nerfs to his ult range that happened a while ago, so even if he gets a knockup, he's usually out of range to ult.