It's annoying that you're being silent on fiora and problematic AD itemization Riot

SquashCannon··12 votes·893 views

I have yet to see anything regarding the biggest problems affecting league.

#1 Fiora Her early isn't even objectively weak, she can basically insta-stack fervor between lunge and bladework, and she still scales into an absolute monster that can outduel anything short of a well-stacked nasus or 5-6 item Jax.

#2 Draven While I personally don't think it's a draven issue as opposed to more of an AD itemization issue, he still ought to be looked at for potential love taps IN CONJUNCTION with some of the stuff I'll post below

#3 item 3812 Ideally this item would become more of an AD caster item and less of an everything physical dmg item (I proposed earlier removing omnivamp and introducing vamp from physical spells with a lower life steal component to favor casters over auto attackers). In any case, this item is relatively easy in terms of fixing since at the very least you can take the middle ground between the OG 15% and the now busted 30% in regards to nerfing it.

#4 item 3046 This thing has reared its ugly head in a nasty way now that AD defensive itemization is better than ever. 12% dmg reduction to a single target might not have meant much before, but in conjunction with Deaths Dance and GA being almost universal, this thing is amplifying the defense an ADC gets. Unlike DD, this item should probably get a full rework, a shame because it had gone through one relatively recently, but what must be done ought to be done.

#5 item 3026 Who knows, maybe if points 3 and 4 are addressed, this may not need to be touched, but otherwise it needs to be nerfed if not slightly.

Let's take a look at some issues affecting higher elo and competitive play.

#1 Orianna Honestly, in terms of overall power budget I don't think she's too much of an issue. What's incredibly frustrating is that she never has an actual weak point in the game. She has no points of vulnerability, especially with how spammable her Q is. If nothing else, a Q cd nerf will probably put her in line. Something along the lines of 9/8/7/6/5 seconds would probably put her in line without destroying her.

#2 Fiora Special double mention for this asshat for being extra broken

#3 Support itemization, particularly for tankier supports. I'm looking more at knight's vow right now since how it interacts with DD and PD is ridiculous.

#4 Thresh is incredibly strong right now. I honestly don't know how to fix him, but his versatility as an offensive playmaker and defensive peeler ought to be looked at, he can overshadow many other supports with his versatility.

26 Comments

yoshi27905 votes

All these big letters gave me a headache.

ChaosThief4 votes

Honestly, they don't want to talk because some people can't be reasoned with.

We can guess what the problem is, but in reality there might be another factor altogether. Like for instance, people were complaining about quinn being too strong, and instead of nerfing the problem that people said it was, they nerfed the ult's ratio. I haven't seen a single complaint on the boards about quinn since.

You do have to give them credit where its due. They don't always want to openly communicate because... well... some people speak through salt instead of words.

In my opinion, I think that champions such as fighters, tanks, and assassins had their reliability tuned down, and rightfully so, but marksmen have remained practically the same. Not only that, but because game lengths are shorter, items are made stronger and easier to build. As a result, you have little to no time to punish a fed enemy unless your team coordinates better than them, which in a solo queue environment, is quite rare.

ZT Xperimentor3 votes

Orianna is only doing well because nearly every other mage has been directly nerfed. She's been fine for years.

SquashCannon2 votes

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Orianna is only doing well because nearly every other mage has been directly nerfed. She's been fine for years.

What happened to orianna was that she usually couldn't max cdr with the usual tear build. However, since riot has injected cdr into just about everything, it's incredibly easy for orianna to max cdr while still maximizing AP, and she wasn't balanced around being able to do that. Hence why I think she just needs a cd nerf. She's been decently strong for quite a few patches now. I would hesitate to ever call her OP, but she needs a little more of a window of vulnerability now that CDR is everywhere.

ZT Xperimentor2 votes

Yeah though there's a few other champions that can abuse that easily accessibility. Caitlyn Her traps once she gets an essence reaver. Ekko Fizz Fiora Practically require you to have friends just to take them down with how much denial they have. Gnar Katarina Kennen Kled LeeSin Riven Yasuo Don't forget the unrestricted powerhouses either.

KitSun93 votes

Gnar? Kat? Ken? Unrestricted powerhouses? Explanation please...

WacingTheFind2 votes

Due to being manaless.

Birbonius2 votes

i think he meant "they have no mana so spam spam spam spam spam"

Aseeya3 votes

I think its funny how my "ez win" cheese pocket pick has changed from Darius to Fiora because she is so brutally overpowered.

Ahristocats2 votes

i legit have literally 0 clue why thresh isn't being nerfed

and that's from a thresh main

DunkinNoobs1 votes

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i legit have literally 0 clue why thresh isn't being nerfed

and that's from a thresh main

I'm more curious why he isn't being banned. He's statistically the best possible ban you could make given his winrate and pickrate are both extremely high and yet I still see him get through more often than not.

Ahristocats1 votes

WHATDO YOU MEAN HE IS NOT BANNED ROFL

he's double banned in every single diamond game his ban rate is 40% atm

DunkinNoobs2 votes

I still see Yasuo banned way more than Thresh which is retarded. Hell, I still see more bans on Lulu than I do on Thresh even when Draven and Twitch are already banned and Lulu is no longer that big of a deal.

Joxcab2 votes

I'm sure spamming everything in massive bold text will make your whining seem more legitimate.

Rexxiee1 votes

Because support items are more broken atm, DD is what holds a few damage melee champs in the game atm like Riven.

Once we nerf locket, redemption, ardent, knights vow, grail and others then we can nerf DD and GA.

SquashCannon3 votes

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Because support items are more broken atm, DD is what holds a few damage melee champs in the game atm like Riven.

Once we nerf locket, redemption, ardent, knights vow, grail and others then we can nerf DD and GA.

"DD is what holds a few damage melee champs in the game atm like Riven."

http://www.op.gg/champion/riven/statistics/top

Near 11% pick rate and hovering between 51-52% win rate. That's a little more than holding, that's just breaking. While I would say riven should be looked at as well, I recognize that can also be bias as a dariusmain, hence why I completely left that out in the OP. At the very least, Riven is NOT OK with current AD itemization, she's too strong with it.

Rexxiee1 votes

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"DD is what holds a few damage melee champs in the game atm like Riven."

http://www.op.gg/champion/riven/statistics/top

Near 11% pick rate and hovering between 51-52% win rate. That's a little more than holding, that's just breaking. While I would say riven should be looked at as well, I recognize that can also be bias as a dariusmain, hence why I completely left that out in the OP. At the very least, Riven is NOT OK with current AD itemization, she's too strong with it.

Riven is not too strong atm lol, shes on the edge of viablity because she cant really do a lot to those multiple tanks + lockets + other support items adcs, she used to be able to kill them easily now its hard, she has to build DD everygame as its the only thing that keeps her viable, lethality is trash tier.

51% win rate with 10% pick rate is too strong for you?

Then thresh with a 54% win rate + 35% pick rate is what?

SquashCannon3 votes

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Riven is not too strong atm lol, shes on the edge of viablity because she cant really do a lot to those multiple tanks + lockets + other support items adcs, she used to be able to kill them easily now its hard, she has to build DD everygame as its the only thing that keeps her viable, lethality is trash tier.

51% win rate with 10% pick rate is too strong for you?

Then thresh with a 54% win rate + 35% pick rate is what?

Overpowered, and I addressed thresh in the OP, or did you not read?

also, darius was love tapped when he had similar statistics to what we see in riven today. The main difference (or so people tell me) is that riven is a "harder" champion and as such, like other "hard" champions, should never be able to hold a high win rate with an abnormally high play rate. She could use a love tap whether it's E scaling or a small CD nerf on E or Q. Nothing drastic like what thresh needs IMO full rework to specialize.

Rexxiee1 votes

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Overpowered, and I addressed thresh in the OP, or did you not read?

also, darius was love tapped when he had similar statistics to what we see in riven today. The main difference (or so people tell me) is that riven is a "harder" champion and as such, like other "hard" champions, should never be able to hold a high win rate with an abnormally high play rate. She could use a love tap whether it's E scaling or a small CD nerf on E or Q. Nothing drastic like what thresh needs IMO full rework to specialize.

Darius back when he was nerfed was stronger than riven is currently, besides darius IS still strong lol.

Riven needs absolutely 0 nerfs, all that needs to happen is DD passive go back to 15 or 20%.

If you nerf riven now because of how strong she is with the DD crutch once they nerf DD (which will happen eventually) shes going to be trash tier.

SquashCannon1 votes

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Riven needs absolutely 0 nerfs, all that needs to happen is DD passive go back to 15 or 20%.

If you nerf riven now because of how strong she is with the DD crutch once they nerf DD (which will happen eventually) shes going to be trash tier.e

Like how darius was fine until Courage broke him and both were nerfed at the same time?

Of course, I won't want her nerfed because of a vendetta over riot's usually moronic buff/nerf decisions. I truly believe she can use a small tap, so I guess we just disagree there.

Rexxiee1 votes

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Like how darius was fine until Courage broke him and both were nerfed at the same time?

Of course, I won't want her nerfed because of a vendetta over riot's usually moronic buff/nerf decisions. I truly believe she can use a small tap, so I guess we just disagree there.

Darius is still strong idk what you are talking about.

SquashCannon1 votes

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Darius is still strong idk what you are talking about.

It's quite simple, I'm talking about riven getting a love tap.

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

Riven is on the edge of viability? Try playing gangplank and then come back to me ty.

chipndip11 votes

So we just reduce numbers in the ENTIRE GAME?

ShadWooo1 votes

Except its the other way around, support items had to be buffed because everything else got buffed.

I would even agreed support items are strong IF this was only melee AD fighter issue, but since the same items are used on ranged Ad champions in botlane its not a valid argument

Tobias Brackner1 votes

I'd rather seen players learn how to deal with these simple problems themselves instead of QQ to Riot for nerfs.

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