@RiotLyte How can you justify offensive language with a language filter in place

Meteor Driz··2 votes·857 views

Lyte -

Edit: I'm not under a ban or suspension or anything like that. I'm just trying to understand the reasoning logically.

I'm asking specifically about punishing offensive language not verbal abuse, which to my understanding involves "punishing language that employs vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, or racially, ethnically, and otherwise objectionable language."

Here is where I am confused: **By default, the language filter is enabled. You have to specifically go out of your way to turn it off and in doing so you are explicitly consenting to subject yourself this type of language. **

Thus, how is it possible that using this language is punishable? The main difference between offensive language and verbal abuse is that offensive language is not directed at anyone, correct?

Those that do not give their consent to view this language never see it. It becomes something like **** you **** ***** you are so *****, which in its censored form holds none of the above qualities (vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, or racially, ethnically, and otherwise objectionable language).

The only justifiable situation I can think of involves going out of your way to trick the filter through improper spelling/spacing/etc. That I can understand. But the rest...

You either give consent or you dont. You either buy the edited version on itunes or you buy the explicit. It's your own choice to subject yourself.

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General Esdeath 1 votes

I think there's a limit. For example, if I say "That guy is pissing me off" nobody is gonna care. Now if I say "Man fuck this nigger for stealing my blue buff" then there's a HUGE difference in this.

Meteor Driz1 votes

So you are saying that you want to consent to SOME explicit language but not ALL of it?

As in, customizable levels of language filters?

TeemoJenkins1 votes

I swear in my games all the time... never been reported to my knowledge and I have never been chat banned/suspended... "Fuck ya" or "hellz ya" or "Get that bitch, good job!" in team chat are common for me. So you might want to recognize it's not likely WHAT words you're using, but rather HOW you're using them.

Meteor Driz1 votes

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I swear in my games all the time... never been reported to my knowledge and I have never been chat banned/suspended... "Fuck ya" or "hellz ya" or "Get that bitch, good job!" in team chat are common for me. So you might want to recognize it's not likely WHAT words you're using, but rather HOW you're using them.

Oh I'm not under any kind of ban or suspension or anything like that, I'm just trying to understand the reasoning.

Also, I believe you are describing two different offenses.

Verbal abuse - Negative things directed at someone Offensive language - Mature language not specified at anyone

Lord Dusteon1 votes

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Oh I'm not under any kind of ban or suspension or anything like that, I'm just trying to understand the reasoning.

Also, I believe you are describing two different offenses.

Verbal abuse - Negative things directed at someone Offensive language - Mature language not specified at anyone

Offensive language is Offensive language not specified at anyone. Going "fuck I died" isn't going to get a report counted; going "fuck that nigger faggot wolf killed me" is. The first has mature language but is not offensive. The second has 'mature' language and is offensive.

So generally, when someone turns off the language filter it's so they know what the first is. It's not an invitation to use or see the second.

Meteor Driz1 votes

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Offensive language is Offensive language not specified at anyone. Going "fuck I died" isn't going to get a report counted; going "fuck that nigger faggot wolf killed me" is. The first has mature language but is not offensive. The second has 'mature' language and is offensive.

So generally, when someone turns off the language filter it's so they know what the first is. It's not an invitation to use or see the second.

I see what you are saying. But isn't "offensive" language completely subjective to the individual? Whats offensive to someone might not be offensive to someone else. And likewise whats not offensive to some could be offensive to others.

How and where do you draw the line?

Lord Dusteon1 votes

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I see what you are saying. But isn't "offensive" language completely subjective to the individual? Whats offensive to someone might not be offensive to someone else. And likewise whats not offensive to some could be offensive to others.

How and where do you draw the line?

Offended is when something is offensive to you but not most other people. I am offended by people scraping their forks on plates, but it is not offensive. Offensive is when something offends the vast majority of people and has no use except to offend. Calling people slurs is offensive.

Not really a concrete line, but offensive is "nobody wants to hear this, ever"

IcyPepper1 votes

Riot doesn't mind us cursing, really. Check out the summoner's code, or some rules list I can bring up if I find it, it has this in it.

There's a difference between "Damn it, I really fucked that gank up. My bad :/ " and "Shut the f*** up n*****." Offensive language does not necessarily mean foul language (because let's be real, we all curse from time to time). It's language, typed words in the team or \all team chat, that's offensive. Certain words are never okay in a public setting, specifically nouns that start with f, n, r, and a. If you use curse words excessively and people ask you to stop, then that might be crossing the line, but that usually slides into verbal abuse if you're directing it at someone.

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