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Holy shit this jungle EXP change is perfect.

ArnoldSchwarzens··3 votes·2,064 views

> Non-buff camps now reward about 25% less XP on the First Clear* > Experience Changes > [NOTE: When comparing values, remember big camps all get +50 bonus experience from jungle items] > Blue - XP lowered to 200 from 210 > Red - XP lowered to 200 from 210 > Gromp - XP lowered to 200 from 210 > Little Krugs - XP lowered to 35 from 45 > Mini Krugs - XP lowered 7 from 15 > Razorbeak - XP increased to 20 from 15 > Small Razorbreaks - XP increased to 35 from 15.

It nerfs jungle in general which is great because they currently have much more power than all the other lanes. Secondly, AOE junglers and junglers who are mana-dependant get buffed, they don't have to drain all their mana at krugs to not lack behind in EXP anymore plus their favourite camp, the Raptors, gives more EXP now.

And while the early EXP nerf is a nerf to all junglers, early game junglers especially have it much harder now. That's right, ulti nerf and no early game cheese for you you god damn blind thumb.

In general, another kind of champion group who gets nerfed a bit is the resourceless or energy junglers who had the advantage because they didn't have any mana to drain at Krugs aswell as single-targeted machete junglers because single-target camps give less EXP.

So what this means is that Nidalee Fiddlesticks Evelynn Elise Ekko and a lot of other AP champions who took a hard hit the last patch get buffed while LeeSin Vi get nerfed, I love it.

12 Comments

rtbf2216514121 votes

So this means jungle will be under-leveled even longer. Great.

ForgiveColour5 votes

Are we playing the same game? Junglers are the one out leveling laners, spiking faster than all 3 lanes and that shouldnt happen for 4 years in a row

rtbf2216514121 votes

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Are we playing the same game? Junglers are the one out leveling laners, spiking faster than all 3 lanes and that shouldnt happen for 4 years in a row

I never said they don't out level them later. Read carefully.

ForgiveColour1 votes

Read carefully? Sorry you either dont play this game or just flat out bad.

learn to jungle rofl people like you make me laugh pretending that the most broken role for 4 years in a row has any weakness besides having trash jungler

rtbf2216514121 votes

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Read carefully? Sorry you either dont play this game or just flat out bad.

learn to jungle rofl people like you make me laugh pretending that the most broken role for 4 years in a row has any weakness besides having trash jungler

I am a secondary jungle main. I also play this game. I can also carry with jungle but play support. During the first 5 minutes of the game you are a lower level than top and mid. The most under-leveled lane is bot lane because exp is shared. If you don't think jungle is under-leveled at the start of the game I think you need to play more and so do the other people who up-voted you.

Also if you think this actually helps Evelynn, you need to get help. Evelynn has been a jungle, trash or not. Making her more trash solves the problem? Good job. You successfully supported a change that will make her even more trash at killing in the jungle. You must be so proud of yourself.

The biggest issue I have with this is the already bad off junglers are going to get worse despite what the author suggested. You get 25% less from a leash. You get less exp unless you go to raptors as well. Considering the damage of the raptors, going after them early game can be suicide. Have you even played jungle? I don't think you have kid.

What makes me laugh is people upvoted your strawman fallacy. You sure showed it... Not me. I never said jungle was underpowered either. Great job putting words in my mouth. How about the champions get a nerf instead of nerfing the already bad state junglers? Sound too complicated to you? I mean it's not like people wanted Lee Sin nerfed for a while now.

ForgiveColour1 votes

During the first 5 minutes of the game you are a lower level than top and mid.

Yup learn to jungle you baddie git gud. Didnt even bother to read anything afterwards

A Basic Island1 votes

question

are the mid krugs considered mini krugs?

idk how i feel. they're pretty much taking all the xp from everything and shoving it into rapotors :|

rtbf2216514121 votes

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question

are the mid krugs considered mini krugs?

idk how i feel. they're pretty much taking all the xp from everything and shoving it into rapotors :|

And the larger one is worth less exp because it's clearly easier to kill.... >.>

I'm not even sure how this helps Evelynn. She has had early clear problems before.

ArnoldSchwarzens1 votes

Mid krugs are called little krugs and the smallest krug version is called mini krugs.

And you have to look at it this way - over the last patches they took away an extreme amount of EXP from raptors and shoved it into krugs, now they are kind of reversing that a bit because it had a really negative effect on AP junglers while at the same time allowing early game junglers, resourceless junglers and single target junglers to get a shitton of EXP and do early game cheese ganks. Overall this is a great change.

Dreadlocks1 votes

more reason for me not to share blue buff :)

Daszkal1 votes

When I'm playing Evelynn Evelynn, I find Raptors too difficult and time consuming but Krugs Easy and Fast to clear for me, Most of the time I just use Raptors for healing.

I use the standard jungle path: Red side: Blue>Gromp>Red>Krugs Blue side: Red>Krugs>Blue>Gromp I'm at lvl 3 with these clears and ready to gank, hopefully with these XP nerfs I can still get to lvl 3.

Tell me how is this a buff to AP Junglers? Raptors aren't easy for AP Junglers with no health sustain.

Big Lincoln1 votes

AoE junglers didn't need a buff, they were already better at clearing the jungle than anyone else

Tank junglers are probably going to be the meta again.

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