@Riot, you mishandled the Alistar's nerf in 4.15 (Rough Math Inside + Suggestion)

ABlueQuaker··3 votes·381 views

You removed the Auto-Attack that you could get off after using Headbutt, which was a big reason people were playing him in the Top Lane at all. You could rush Sheen and then trade with W ---> Sheen Auto with limited counterplay. Taking that Auto-Attack away entirely, however, removed a lot of Alistar's power as a Solo Lane Champion.

What do I suggest? Allow Headbutt to apply on-hit effects. Hydra, Shiv, Sheen, lifesteal, crit, etc. Treat the W itself as an Auto-Attack so that you can still trade similarly to how he used to be able to, but you'd still be removing the Auto-Attack damage itself.

E.g. Fixed Variables Level 5 With Rank 1 W Total AD: ~65 Total AP: 25 55 Base Magic Damage on W 70% AP Ratio Magic Damage on W Sheen

Old Alistar:

Total Damage from W ---> Auto Combo= W Damage + Auto-Attack Damage + Sheen Damage = (55+25 x 0.7) + 65 + 65 = 202.5 Mixed Damaged (Before Resistances and not taking into account Alistar's Runes or Masteries)

Current Alistar: Total Damage from W = Base Magic Damage + AP Ratio = 55 + 0.7 x 25 = 72.5 Magic Damage

My Proposed Alistar: Total Damage from W and Sheen Proc = Base Magic Damage + AP Ratio + Sheen Damage = 55 + 0.7 x 25 + 65 = 137.5 Mixed Damage

By making my proposed changes, you find middle ground between Alistar when he was a strong, viable Top Lane Champion and now where Top Lane Alistar is a rare encounter.

3 Comments

qetzel2 votes

I don't think Riot wants to give a champion that much trading power.

The reason Alistair was nerfed in that way was because he got the sheen proc and the target could not respond. It was free, un-dodgeable damage. While this is less free damage, it is still free damage and it still exists throughout the game (and gets larger when you by TF and SS)

pE4CbxDPQO1 votes

I LOVE this. Would feel very rewarding taking my man, the cow, back up top. Had so much fun when that was an option. #1 Jax stomper.

Duke Anax1 votes

Just wanted to suggest this myself, thumbs up!

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