Your jungler wants you to know

The thigh guy·Nov 14, 2018·7 votes·2,493 views

It’s not their job to win your lane. It’s also not their job to match enemy ganks If you have no cc and they have no cc, ganks likely won’t work. If you ping me off cs after I gank, and give you the kill, don’t expect another one. Push your wave under the turret. Before 15 minutes, buffs are gifts, not necessity. If you push to turret constantly, don’t expect ganks. If bot feeds, I’m not likely going for dragon, if top feeds, I’m not likely going for rift. If I ping danger, the enemy jungler is near, and I’m tracking them. If the enemy jungler ganks you, and you die, it is your own fault. Ward the jungle exits not the river. Mid, play to the side I’m on, then I can countergank easier.

This list could go on, but I’ll cut it here.

22 Comments

WilyumNov 14, 20186 votes

Haha, I love the buffs are gifts. The thing I hate most is when my mid laner begs me for blue when they are something like 1/5/0 and I am playing a mana heavy jungler. Like seriously, I cannot just give away my 3rd buff to you I will fall behind in xp and have slower clears if I can't spam my aoe spell. The thing I hate almost as much as when a losing lane will go into the jungle and clear camps that just spawned, like seriously? If you are 1/5 and down 50 cs at 15:00 min do not, please do not, go and clear my wolves or golems, I need the gold; putting another teammate behind because you're behind is silly.

Silly NeekoNov 14, 20183 votes

So your philosophy is "keep the ahead players ahead and keep behind players behind".

If a jungler doesnt want me to take their camps, do NOT come into my lane and take my cs. That simple. And yes, i have had many junglers think it is ok to take the farm from me after they come in and take my kill after doing nothing except last hit as i am about 5/1.

Got news for you, if you take the kill, do not take my farm. Get out of the lane asap so you are not taking exp away from the laner, and do not take the farm because you already took the kill.

The thigh guyNov 14, 20183 votes

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So your philosophy is "keep the ahead players ahead and keep behind players behind".

If a jungler doesnt want me to take their camps, do NOT come into my lane and take my cs. That simple. And yes, i have had many junglers think it is ok to take the farm from me after they come in and take my kill after doing nothing except last hit as i am about 5/1.

Got news for you, if you take the kill, do not take my farm. Get out of the lane asap so you are not taking exp away from the laner, and do not take the farm because you already took the kill.

Taking camps you strengthen yourself a small amount, but because you don’t have a jungle item you weaken the team overall.

Silly NeekoNov 14, 20182 votes

Then dont get on your high horse and try taking farm from me, and i will not take it from you.

I am a firm believer on what goes around comes around. If you set me back i set you back. You let me get ahead ill let you get ahead.

WilyumNov 14, 20182 votes

I take farm from the laner only if I am trying to shove it in with them or they got a kill from a successful gank. If they get the kill they are now ahead and will receive more gold than me taking 3 minions, as well as having greater experience than their laner who missed one or more waves after we shove it in. As someone else stated, the laner does not get as much from a jungle camp as the jungler, so yes, I would rather have one player be on par or ahead and one behind than 2 behind; taking my camps only puts me behind it doesn't even the laner out.

Dr DogNov 14, 20181 votes

my philosophy on that is why would i give a feeding laner blue when they'll more than likely just give it to the enemy laner?

MorganFreemanBotNov 15, 20181 votes

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So your philosophy is "keep the ahead players ahead and keep behind players behind".

If a jungler doesnt want me to take their camps, do NOT come into my lane and take my cs. That simple. And yes, i have had many junglers think it is ok to take the farm from me after they come in and take my kill after doing nothing except last hit as i am about 5/1.

Got news for you, if you take the kill, do not take my farm. Get out of the lane asap so you are not taking exp away from the laner, and do not take the farm because you already took the kill.

The objective of a gank isn't to kill, it's to apply pressure to take towers and other objectives. A jungler should ALWAYS help shove after a successful gank, and if a laner backs (naturally, dying to an enemy gank, ect) the jungler should also ALWAYS shove the wave into the enemy tower. They should make sure to reset it properly, but reset it none the less.

There's a reason you're hard-stuck in gold 5. This mentality is a large part of that reason.

Silly NeekoNov 16, 20181 votes

Lol. Everyone keeps claiming im "hardstuck". It OBVIOUSLY has NOTHING to do with i barely play ranked.

I played 29 games of ranked to get to G5 again and then any others i did was playing with some friends in ranked or finishing the missions for the KDA.

Also i am at promotion to G4, so obviously not very hardstuck.

If you blow summ spells, then sure, take a cannon minion or some melee minions as thanks. However if you go and take 2 waves of farm away from the laner due to them being collected around the towerish area, no. That is not good at all.

If it is early on especially, and the laner is there and the jungler takes the kill, then taking the gold away from the laner will make it so that the gold lead between laners is minimal. Thus requireing you to gank again to get them a bit more ahead, until FINALLY your laner will be able to win by themselves and you do not need to babysit them.... you can move onto blowing up other lanes.

For example it is like when i was playing Nasus and was 4/1 able to 2v1 their top laner and jungler. The rengar ally insisted on coming top and then dieing generally. With our other lanes having enough pressure to kill the enemy laners with Rengars help.... he should have focused his attention bott side ESPECIALLY after i push hard enough while rengar is bott side to bring the enemy jungler and mid laner. But instead he rushed top to take farm and usually not even kill the Irelia to "save tower". This is after i had heavy damage on their tier 2.

Tell me. How is this beneficial? There is NO point in ganking for a splitpushing lane for example and taking their farm if you did none of, or barely any work.

Like i said, if the jungler takes the kill, dont take minions. If i get the kill, i dont mind if you take some minions. If i die, you can take minions. If i am almost there to the tower and you are rushing on along to take minions, back off the minions unless you are close to an item. Same as what laners do for jungle camps.

For mid lane, if you take farm after ganking, generally it will lower their potential burst, and it will allow the enemy mid laner to have a chance to keep up in levels. Sure, you can help PUSH the lane, but you can help push it without taking minions too.

For bottom lane, it is literally feast or famine. The ADC that gets most ahead is the one that wins the lane (generally) unless they have an attrocious level 6 that makes up for it. (Such as Kalista and Leona for examples). They also have more expensive items than you have to buy for their power spike, unless you are playing a pseudo ADC like Graves jung or in some cases Kindred. So while you might set them ahead a bit... why not set them ahead by a bit more? That farm could have meant the difference between them buying a pickaxe + some pots or something and a BF sword.

The jungler can clear with relative safety as long as the enemy jungler is not following them around trying to kill them.... which after a successful gank and you back, you generally can invade them and be just fine if you see them. Why? Because you are ahead. You have smite level on your side and so you can have a better chance of setting them back by stealing their buffs.

Does this make any sense to you at all or are you just that self centered while playing jungle that you view it as you 1v9ing?

Hayaishi2Nov 14, 20186 votes

Lmao. What is your job then?

Rock MDNov 14, 20184 votes

Why is this garbage always upvoted?

It's so funny because, "??? help me when I'm getting collapsed on" gets upvoted too.

It's a two way street. If you don't help your team or don't intend to, why are you even playing this game? Better yet, why do you expect your team to be the better person and sacrifice their resources if you're unwilling to sacrifice yours?

OtterlyLostNov 14, 20183 votes

Things your laners would like their jungler to know:

It isnt your job to win my lane but it also isnt your job to go around and just PvE. If that's what you want, go play a single player game and stop clogging up my ranked games. If you see the enemy jungler is bot lane, no you dont have to counter gank him but you should probably be looking to gank somewhere he isnt or trying to counter jungle; theres no reason for you to be doing nothing while the enemy jungler is doing something. If you get the kill, dont take my farm. Just dont. You can help push without getting the last hits. I watch a lot of high elo junglers do this all the time. Stay and help push the wave under turret. Sometimes a laner doesn't have the health or mana to. Idc about buffs pre 15 minutes but post 15, if I'm working on the enemy red buff and yours is up, dont smite it from me. If you see your laners are pushing, be a good teammate and actually ward for them. Buy pink wards and actually control the map, which is your real job. If bot or top feeds, theres no reason you cant take mid, who I assume is the only person you have helped by your mindset, and duo gank top or bot. Just letting the objectives go because you don't feel like doing your job(ganking and securing and and controlling the map) is just bad jungling. If I die to a gank that you could have easily countered, it isnt my fault. If I die to a gank under my own turret and you were supposedly "tracking" the enemy jungler, it is still not my fault; if you knew the enemy jungler was in the area and preparing to gank and you weren't trying to counter gank, it is your fault. Again, why dont you ward using your trinket and pink wards? You should be trying to help protect your laners if you want them to protect you. Please dont invade the enemy jungle when you see I am pushed in. I will not follow and lose 20 to 30 CS under turret because you're being stupid. And I will be angry if you die and give the kill to my laner who could follow faster with less to lose. Dont gank by the same token. I cant assist a gank in a huge wave; minions hurt.

GayFluffyUnicornNov 15, 20182 votes

All you need to read to know that you are a low level jungler is the following: If you push to turret constantly, don’t expect ganks. This is bronze jungler 101 which unfortunately goes up to high diamond because diving or using lane priority is something totally alien to junglers below master.

The thigh guyNov 15, 20181 votes

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All you need to read to know that you are a low level jungler is the following: If you push to turret constantly, don’t expect ganks. This is bronze jungler 101 which unfortunately goes up to high diamond because diving or using lane priority is something totally alien to junglers below master.

Oh yeah. Because diving a Varus/thresh lane is a PERFECT idea.

Sharpest glassesNov 15, 20181 votes

true for EUW (and ofc for NA cause they're weaker), but it seems like kr arent like. i think you saw the thread of Kirei.

Noor SakataNov 14, 20181 votes

In my matches as a mid laner , I help my jungler more than they help me , I don't expect any ganks Thought most of junglers under Plat4 are really bad , like really bad , and it's rare to find a good jungler in Silver

Sharpest glassesNov 15, 20181 votes

what do you mean by under plat 4 ?? even plat4 jng are hella bad (when i play on my main, they piss me off so much, they do same mistakes as goldish no joke).

Noor SakataNov 15, 20181 votes

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what do you mean by under plat 4 ?? even plat4 jng are hella bad (when i play on my main, they piss me off so much, they do same mistakes as goldish no joke).

P4 was kinda arandom number but , I just reached Plat 5 anyway and I play jg even better than jg mains lol , player base is only 10% from plat and above so I thought junglers should be decent at least in there?

Sharpest glassesNov 15, 20181 votes

so I thought junglers should be decent at least in there?

[sg-miss-fortune] what a mistake (you can expend this to other laners btw, bot laners are worse offenders IMO )

Sharpest glassesNov 15, 20181 votes

It’s also not their job to match enemy ganks

Actualy its our job (jungler main here)

If you ping me off cs after I gank, and give you the kill, don’t expect another one.

so true... but it depend of many things. You need to learn lanes before jungle.

If you push to turret constantly, don’t expect ganks.

In same vein, its not cause they perma push you can't gank.

The thigh guyNov 15, 20181 votes

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Actualy its our job (jungler main here)

so true... but it depend of many things. You need to learn lanes before jungle.

In same vein, its not cause they perma push you can't gank.

It’s our job to match jungle pressure not to match ganks. If they gank top and I’m botside I’m either ganking bot, taking dragon or invading.

3 cs. 60 gold. You already got them 300. It’s a tax for your time and effort.

Again. Some lanes are diveable. If it’s a thresh/varus lane, diving is the worst thing you could ever do.

Sharpest glassesNov 15, 20181 votes

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It’s our job to match jungle pressure not to match ganks. If they gank top and I’m botside I’m either ganking bot, taking dragon or invading.

thats what is to match gank.

3 cs. 60 gold. You already got them 300. It’s a tax for your time and effort.

You dont need to always taxe for effort. Sometimes you need to let the wave cause your top want to freeze or was far behind (causa against a range or bad matchup). Jungler play for laners and laners play for jungle.