She's a diver. I know her model and weapons look quite assassin-ish, and I am aware she might be HEAVILY overpowered. But she's intended to go Triforce/Botrk/one item wonder into hybrid/defensive items. "Tank Camille" will actually be the intended diver playstyle. The numbers might be outlandishly high, the cooldowns may be so low no one can catch her or run from her, but it's not a design issue. Or at least not a mismatch.
warpenguin5555 votesHow much health does irelia normally get to at full build? Because on the PBE my Camille build got to 3800 with 
, would have gone over 4000 if i got another health item over GA. No extra from runes and i dont remember my masteries. Not a balance complaint just curious.
EndlessSorcerer2 votesPersonally, I used to build Irelia with:
So, pretty similar unless Camille's base HP is rather high.
Sahn Uzal4 votesCamille has about 30 hp less than Irelia at level 1, and about 40 HP more at level 18
Twinity Ferce5 votes"Tanky bruiser with stupidly low cooldowns"
Heh
That's nothing new, you know
OHminus1 votesStay away from my monkey, he's done nothing wrong!!!
SquirtlePWN1 votesExcept exist, spin in a circle, split in half, spin in a circle, and spin in a circle again.
OHminus1 votesThose are all tricks I taught my pet monkey :(
Twinity Ferce1 votesHe hasnt done anything wrong. He just runs under the category of tanky bruiser with stupidly low cooldowns compared to his base damage. Its not like that means he shouldnt be in the league. They're a class of their own.
Vesemir1 votesLeave Fiora out of this wtf only 2 of her abilities have short cd. If she misses Q its only 1.
Twinity Ferce2 votes"Only 2" well those two spells are often enough to get a pentakill with only two items, so i feel she deserves to be on the list.
Also, ALL of Fiora's spells have lower cooldowns than Camille's. (Except W, which is barely higher than Camille's E)
RottedApples5 votesno it's not an issue with the champion's design kit wise, or at least it's too early to say for sure if it is. It's a bit of a mismatch with how the champion came off in her story and how she favors "precision" Here is this champion that looks like an assassin, acts like an assassin in the comic thing, sounds like an assassin in her personality and shit. and then she is a bruiser/diver thing in game.
Junkο4 votesNo fucking way will she be played as a diver when going AD lets her get massive true damage AAs.
Photos of Ghosts27 votesThat was on PBE if I recall correctly, she used to be able to crit her true damage.
Junkο2 votesSo intead of 2k true damage she will deal 0.7k-1k true damage now, on a 2 second cooldown.
Ralanr32 votesAt what? Late game with 5 damage items?
She'd need to be stupid fed to get there.
Junkο3 votesYou do realize even something like 300 true spammable damage is stupidly broken?
Irelia only deals like 15 per AA but it's still enough to be able to outduel most champions in the game since you can't itemize vs her.
Ralanr24 votesIf she builds full AD then she's going to hurt a lot. No one denies that. Full AD Vi and Xin also hurt. But they are also reasonably squishy as a result because their builds are intended to make them durable because they aren't meant to escape from fights.
I don't remember her scalings, but if you can give me a build that has her spamming 300 true damage and isn't some full AD glass canon build that only a stupidly snowballed fighter can pull off, them maybe you'll have a point.
Glory ln Death6 votesActually, basically any build with Trinity Force gets her second Q up over 300 true damage (at least late game, when it becomes 100% true damage). Then she just need a couple tanky items with cooldown reduction and she can get it off every 3.6 seconds.
But that's assuming the enemy sits around to let her get the second Q off, which is the very clear and exploitable weakness of the ability.
Ralanr2 votesSigh...I was doing so well with my placements. I feel this release is going to make my ranked games take a nosedive.
Sir Fuzzi1 votesShe has a small delay (1.5sec after first Q hit IIRC) on the true damage, and her early damage isn't anything to write home on. She has poke problems and her initiate is pretty protracted.
What bothers me most about Camille is nothing but that she has an open book for building CDR. Her delays would feel viable if they didn't come with the context that she can build into 3F and SV flawlessly. The extra 10% cdr would be an easy grab on Death's Dance, Maw of Malmortius... etc.
Twinity Ferce1 votes 
Easily 400~ damage per hit, melting anything else than 
and 
.
Blåbæret7 votesYou do realize even something like 300 true spammable damage is stupidly broken?
Irelia only deals like 15 per AA but it's still enough to be able to outduel most champions in the game since you can't itemize vs her.
You do realize the true damage is gated? You need to stay in range for long enough to get the second Q. It has a lot of counterplay actually.
Junkο5 votesYeah it's a real damn shame Camille doesn't have anything to keep her target in range with her super mobile E and her ultimate that literally forces the enemy to stay in her range.
Rebonack3 votesYou do realize the true damage is gated? You need to stay in range for long enough to get the second Q. It has a lot of counterplay actually.
Good thing she's super immobile and thus easy to escape from.
Blåbæret6 votesGood thing she's super immobile and thus easy to escape from.
I guess you got rekt by a Camille and went to the boards to cry about it.
Rebonack4 votesI guess you got rekt by a Camille and went to the boards to cry about it.
Nah, I hadn't played against her yet when I posted against it. I've got no real opinion on her power level yet, not enough experience. Just pointing out that your argument is pretty silly. All the various champs with true damage have some means of playing around said true damage. But most of them also have tools to invalidate the ability to play around said true damage.
From what little experience I have, though, I can say that Camille is stickier than Vi, which is saying quite a bit.
JMoormann1 votesBut most of them also have tools to invalidate the ability to play around said true damage.
That is kinda necessary though:
If an ability can only be played around by the user itself, it's frustrating for the opponent because the outcome only depends on the actions of the user.
However, if you give an ability too much counterplay, it becomes frustrating for the user, as he can do everything perfectly and still not succeed because the enemy has more options than him.
The goal should be to find a point where both the user and the opponent have roughly the same influence at the outcome, whether it be a simple one (Annie R: Annie needs to get in range, opponent needs to stay out of range) or a very complex one (Azir's soldiers are zones of control that both he and his enemy can play around).
RexSaur4 votesJust because its intended doesnt mean it wont be broken as shit.
Champions like VI and irelia have been very, very broken in the past.
Jeddy0177 votesThen they will nerf down her numbers if it's too crazy, duh.
Sahn Uzal4 votesI was about to make this thread. Thank you for saving me the effort :P
Çhåryzård3 votesJust play Gnar.
She's melee. Just throw your boomerangs and jump away when she grabs onto the wall to come get you.
ScissorsNstuff2 votesshe's designed to be like irelia... better pick gnar
...you gon cri when ppl figure out how to play that shit btw lol xD
MegaV78G8716 votesJust play Gnar.
She's melee. Just throw your boomerangs and jump away when she grabs onto the wall to come get you.
Poppy pretty much hard counters Camille. Poppy will be up close so less likely that Camille will get the heal and slow, and poppy can ult Camille away if camille ults. Poppys w can stop camillies wall jump and both have passive shields.
Blåbæret4 votesPoppy pretty much hard counters Camille. Poppy will be up close so less likely that Camille will get the heal and slow, and poppy can ult Camille away if camille ults. Poppys w can stop camillies wall jump and both have passive shields.
Let's no forget Alistar etc. Seems like a champ fairly easy to counter.
NineTailedMystic3 votesCounter_pick_ to specify.
MegaV78G871 votesLet's no forget Alistar etc. Seems like a champ fairly easy to counter.
you would need the right positioning for alistar
RavenMagus15 votes
: My kit demands I jump over against a wall.
: Ehehehehehe.......
MegaV78G871 votes
One of the wierdest match ups I have ever played, but it was kind of fun lol, and yes the camille was the adc: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2372158229/231996695
Daemonette1 votesYep. Just did poppy vs Camille. Creeps where doing more damage to me then she was. Rooted in ult. She still did little damage. Ult her back send her to base or just flat out killed Camille.
MegaV78G871 votesYep. Just did poppy vs Camille. Creeps where doing more damage to me then she was. Rooted in ult. She still did little damage. Ult her back send her to base or just flat out killed Camille.
Look at this chaos of a bot lane. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2372158229/231996695
Bisaknosp3 votesplayed her against gnar at 3 this bitch cant escape and by bitch i mean gnar btw
Glory ln Death3 votesThat's pretty normal when a new champion is released. People don't have experience playing against her yet. Give it a week or two, and champions like Gnar will be doing fine against her.
MegaV78G873 votes[{quoted}](name=Photos of Ghosts,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AFWEllHU,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-12-12T14:58:50.917+0000)
She's a diver. I know her model and weapons look quite assassin-ish, and I am aware she might be HEAVILY overpowered. But she's intended to go Triforce/Botrk/one item wonder into hybrid/defensive items. "Tank Camille" will actually be the intended diver playstyle. The numbers might be outlandishly high, the cooldowns may be so low no one can catch her or run from her, but it's not a design issue. Or at least not a mismatch.
I mean she is classed as a fighter so kind of obvious she will be built like a bruiser. Her ult is a 1v1 duel, with fair counter play, and she would need to be able to survive a few hit especially with her timing on her q. Her kit is not designed to burst someone down, instead it is designed to take out a target and prevent them from escaping.
PROJECT Katarìna2 votesStill wont stop me from going full AD
Yordle Xayah1 votes[deleted]
Blåbæret3 votesYeah, don't you love the "fighter" class?
Build one, maybe two damage items, then build 4K HP, and be front line, back line, assassin, diver, peel, and everything else you wanna be while three shooting carries that can barely keep up with you only building damage items.
Yeah guys, dem fighters are so strong right now. Amirite?
SquirtlePWN1 votesI main Vi and rn I get shredded by Jinx, Cait, and Ashe. Not to mention Twitch and Vayne, but I never see them in game.
