I played Rammus jungle. They played Vayne jungle. Despite being the one champion that hard counters all ADCs, I could not duel Sated Devourer Vayne, because her damage output was through the roof. I even couldn't beat her despite building both Frozen Heart AND Thornmail, and various other defensive items, including Banshee's for the magic damage from Devourer.
Please make Devourer melee only RIot. We both know Kayle and Vayne are broken with it.
Lime Josh3 votesI played Rammus jungle. They played Vayne jungle. Despite being the one champion that hard counters all ADCs, I could not duel Sated Devourer Vayne, because her damage output was through the roof. I even couldn't beat her despite building both Frozen Heart AND Thornmail, and various other defensive items, including Banshee's for the magic damage from Devourer.
Please make Devourer melee only RIot. We both know Kayle and Vayne are broken with it.
so, because you could not kill vayne 1v1 @ 45 mins as Rammus you should make an item melee only?
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Squidblimp1 votesRammus returns auto attack damage, he can win against a normal Vayne, but Sated Devourer Vayne absolutely destroys him.
BruisingEmu2 votesVayne should be the ADC that actually gives Rammus trouble, if any. Condemn for the roll, percent health true damage. And an amazing kit for kiting autos while your taunt is down.
Also... Frozen heart and Thornmail? Pick one. You're not making use of thornmail if you're slowing their attack speed. Thornmail+Sunfire or Frozen Heart+Randuins. Your either a cactus or an attack speed debuff. Mixing it up just weakens it overall.
Cenobite Azaziel1 votesIf you, as rammus, a ganking jungler, couldn't stomp your bot lane, with no ADC, or counter jungle her (Wow, lux and velkoz kick your ass HARD) , it isn't vayne fault ( since she should finish devourer about 27~30 in a winning game with dragons...).
Squidblimp1 votesSure, I didn't play that well. However, this isn't about losing that game. It's about the sheer amount of stupid damage that Sated Devourer Vayne can do, without even building any crit.
ShinTwist1 votesVayne can shred rammus without sated, lol. Rammus is just pretty weak right now.
IcyPepper1 votesDid you counterjungle, or let her stack freely at her camps?
I hope you warded the shit out of their jungle and at least tried. If you didn't go into her jungle once early game, or didn't buy any wards for 75 gold early game... I'm not sure I can sympathize. If you did, then I apologize.
Squidblimp1 votesCounterjungling on Rammus early game doesn't work. He's one of the weakest junglers early game. In fact, I couldn't even duel Vayne early game, I tried. She also got pretty fed, which was my bad for not respecting her damage.
However, I don't have an issue with Vayne herself. It's when she has Sated Devourer that she's absolutely broken. She built no crit items, double lifesteal, and even some tank items and still was able to shred me when I was itemizing against her and ONLY her. She's also slippery, so the only times we killed her was when we had AT LEAST 4 people on her face.
IcyPepper1 votesI... really don't know what to say.
I guess her best counter is assassin junglers, I guess. Or warding her jungle early and praying your mid/top-laners will trade a wave of cs to delay or kill Vayne.
Squidblimp1 votesYeah, if I was playing an early game jungler, then I'd have gone and killed her.
But really, Sated Devourer Vayne does more damage than any other champion in the game. Even if you let her get ahead, there is no reason she should be able to kill EVERYTHING while also BUILDING TANK ITEMS and NO CRIT ITEMS. It's broken, and so is Kayle with that item. It should be melee only.
IcyPepper1 votesPoor Kayle, being nerfed yet again. Girl is weak when out of the meta, and so overbearing when inside it she has to be nerfed to hell. Like a catch-22 or whatever I'm thinking of.
I'm not sure it should be melee only... in reality, I think Vayne is just going to get nerfed at this point due to her popularity and success since cinderhulk.
Squidblimp1 votesShe honestly needs a rework. However, this wouldn't be a nerf to her, she'd be just how she was before Devourer. She's also great with Runeglaive! :)
IcyPepper1 votesI think her main issue (and also the source of what makes her situationally OP) is that her identity is all over the place. CC, heal, turn into ranged, and invisibility for yourself or an ally with a passive that shreds resistances. She's a fighter, a support, and a mage all in one.
I mean, having versatility isn't a bad thing, but what would allow Kayle to be strong would be focusing on her identity and exemplifying that. I think cutting out a bit of her utility in favor of a more fighter mage role would be the way to go.
Eh, I dunno.
Krinu1 votesI think her main issue (and also the source of what makes her situationally OP) is that her identity is all over the place. CC, heal, turn into ranged, and invisibility for yourself or an ally with a passive that shreds resistances. She's a fighter, a support, and a mage all in one.
I mean, having versatility isn't a bad thing, but what would allow Kayle to be strong would be focusing on her identity and exemplifying that. I think cutting out a bit of her utility in favor of a more fighter mage role would be the way to go.
Eh, I dunno.
I always considered versatility to be her specialty. Like, she can do quite literally any role to a moderate degree of success. She's a solid top or mid lane, she makes an acceptable carry if you're running an AD mid, she's a passable support that shines in burst engagements, and she's a late-game hypercarry jungler.
Illâoi Evê Siôn1 votesYou have at least 25 minutes to make Vayne's life a living hell. What did you do in that time?
Squidblimp1 votesVayne is actually stronger than Rammus early game. She dueled and killed me in my own jungle couple of times. If I was an early game jungler I would have counterjungled, but with Rammus that's hard. Furthermore, her late game potential outscales that of a FED NASUS. For Nasus to be stronger than her, he'd have to stack for over an hour. Her damage is stupid high. The only reason that Nasus is allowed to have that damage in the first place is becaue he's melee with no gapclosders, whereas Vayne has range, gapclosers, stealth, AND self-peel and also a stun.
So yeah, once she reaches that late game point, you basically lose, and there is nothing you can do.