the best champions in the game are all onclick champions... zoe atleast had a high learning curve but that was nerfed into the ground. now she has a high learning curve with no real reward because 
just burst harder and easier. whats the point of even having high skill based champions in the game if you are not going to support and reward the gameplay?
Jbels9 votesNo offense to Zoe players, but once you landed your E on something, it was piss easy to delete them from the face of the earth. I'm not sure where the high skill was in that
Zed genius4 votesand hey if you missed you can try again in 5 seconds!
lolipopevelynn1 votesNo offense to Zoe players, but once you landed your E on something, it was piss easy to delete them from the face of the earth. I'm not sure where the high skill was in that
because 
with 
doesn't already do that by pressing Q+R? you tell me which champion is easier to delete another champion with, 
or . if your answer was 
then you would be correct.
MohawkBird3 votes[deleted]
lolipopevelynn1 votesBlanket comparison. Akali is a melee assassin who actually has to put herself in danger to assassin. Zoe was someone who can nuke you from the fog of war 1000+ range away.
"put herself in danger" "danger"
lol
MohawkBird2 votes[deleted]
lolipopevelynn1 votesIf you honestly think going in melee range as a squishy assassin into a team of 5 isn't danger then there is really nothing more for me to say here.
You understand that akali's attacks with her passive in combination with gun blade means she has a summoner heal each time she goes in right? You also under stand she has a uncounterable stealth that lets her wait on CD and get more heals and attacks off? You also realize that she can ult hop to minions to escape bad situations? If you are not a complete idiot that 1v5s teams then you should realize how safe akali actually is.
FOR JUSTICE7 votesin zoe's case, you could land 1-2 abilities and there's your entire health bar, along with insanely high burst potential as early as level 3 just because RNGsus decided its your time to receive a gunblade to go along with your ignite.
that's not really much room for skill expression.
lolipopevelynn1 votesin zoe's case, you could land 1-2 abilities and there's your entire health bar, along with insanely high burst potential as early as level 3 just because RNGsus decided its your time to receive a gunblade to go along with your ignite.
that's not really much room for skill expression.
zoe has to land her E first to do any significant damage of an "entire health bar"
FOR JUSTICE2 votesmy point exactly. unless youre an ADC, most enchanters or someone like viktor with a poor HP pool, or are super behind, no 1-2 abilities should legitimately chunk you, before factoring in empowered autos.
Timethief493 votesLeBlanc aint easy, Fizz aint easy, Annie aint good.
Big Lincoln3 votesskill based hahahahaha
NoPaxt1 votesZoe gets to be very mobile and if she hit's her stun, she gets time to think about her engage before the stun triggers.
Le Blanc is harder than you believe, so s Fizz, and Annie has almost no range...
MorganFreemanBot4 votes[{quoted}](name=Stark of Wrath,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AANKRNr3,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-04-24T16:57:53.239+0000)
Zoe gets to be very mobile and if she hit's her stun, she gets time to think about her engage before the stun triggers.
Uh.
Zoe is one of the least mobile champions in the game. She's less mobile than Trundle, who's pretty much the pinacle for immobility, other than Morde.
Her R is not mobility; it's a BRIEF reposition to allow her to cast spells. Shit, it's actually the opposite of mobility because she will ALWAYS return to the same spot, meaning it's very easy to punish her for using it at inopportune times.
NoPaxt3 votesUh.
Zoe is one of the least mobile champions in the game. She's less mobile than Trundle, who's pretty much the pinacle for immobility, other than Morde.
Her R is not mobility; it's a BRIEF reposition to allow her to cast spells. Shit, it's actually the opposite of mobility because she will ALWAYS return to the same spot, meaning it's very easy to punish her for using it at inopportune times.
I don't think you know what mobile means...
lolipopevelynn2 votes[{quoted}](name=Stark of Wrath,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AANKRNr3,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-04-24T17:02:33.159+0000)
I don't think you know what mobile means...
pretty positive you dont either if you think zoe is "very mobile"
MorganFreemanBot1 votes[{quoted}](name=Stark of Wrath,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AANKRNr3,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-04-24T17:02:33.159+0000)
I don't think you know what mobile means...
Mobility is the ability to move around the map quickly; generally it's characterized by wall jumps (covering a LOT of effective ground) and / or movement speed.
Zoe cannot jump walls. Zoe does not go super fast. Zoe effectively 'roots' herself with her R because she always returns; it's like a Leblance W which always yanks you back, only shittier because you can't walk around on the other side.
NoPaxt2 votesMobility is the ability to move around the map quickly; generally it's characterized by wall jumps (covering a LOT of effective ground) and / or movement speed.
Zoe cannot jump walls. Zoe does not go super fast. Zoe effectively 'roots' herself with her R because she always returns; it's like a Leblance W which always yanks you back, only shittier because you can't walk around on the other side.
She covers a lot of ground with her ult, and can sleep the champ before snapping back, and then skips away. That's pretty mobile.
MorganFreemanBot2 votes[{quoted}](name=Stark of Wrath,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AANKRNr3,comment-id=00010000000000010000,timestamp=2018-04-24T17:25:11.971+0000)
She covers a lot of ground with her ult, and can sleep the champ before snapping back, and then skips away. That's pretty mobile.
Zoe's ult is not mobility. She covers zero ground; she cannot use it to open or close gaps, at which point she returns to her original spot. It's a glorified range increase, with the downside of putting her in very real danger (as it effectively roots her in the original location while allowing those closer to where she wants to hit to retaliate).
Zoe's sleep is also not mobility. I'm not sure what you're not grasping here, but CC =/= mobility. The ability to walk away from someone, after hitting them with hard CC, does not make a champion mobile. Otherwise Alistar would be the highest mobility champ in the entire game, given he has hard CC on 3 out of 4 abilities.
NoPaxt1 votesZoe's ult is not mobility. She covers zero ground; she cannot use it to open or close gaps, at which point she returns to her original spot. It's a glorified range increase, with the downside of putting her in very real danger (as it effectively roots her in the original location while allowing those closer to where she wants to hit to retaliate).
Zoe's sleep is also not mobility. I'm not sure what you're not grasping here, but CC =/= mobility. The ability to walk away from someone, after hitting them with hard CC, does not make a champion mobile. Otherwise Alistar would be the highest mobility champ in the entire game, given he has hard CC on 3 out of 4 abilities.
Her kit gives her mobility if you can't see that than you're bronzier than me... When you're sleeping and Im not, I became more mobile than you.
lolipopevelynn1 votes[{quoted}](name=Stark of Wrath,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AANKRNr3,comment-id=0001000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-24T21:27:51.922+0000)
Her kit gives her mobility if you can't see that than you're bronzier than me... When you're sleeping and Im not, I became more mobile than you.
by that brilliant logic, nasus is also mobile because his slow makes him move faster than his target...
Gabresol1 votesby that brilliant logic, nasus is also mobile because his slow makes him move faster than his target...
Karthus is the most mobile champion in the game! He can, in theory, kill multiple targets on the map with his ult with out being there. Dead champs are less mobile than not dead champs! KARTHUS IS THE MOST MOBILE CHAMP IN THE GAME! OPEN YOU EYES!
Gabresol1 votes[{quoted}](name=Stark of Wrath,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AANKRNr3,comment-id=0001000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-24T21:27:51.922+0000)
Her kit gives her mobility if you can't see that than you're bronzier than me... When you're sleeping and Im not, I became more mobile than you.
Leona has 2 stuns. Stunned champions are less mobile than stunned champions, making Leona more mobile than Ezreal who cannot stun enemies, duh...
lolipopevelynn1 votes[{quoted}](name=Stark of Wrath,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AANKRNr3,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-04-24T16:57:53.239+0000)
Zoe gets to be very mobile and if she hit's her stun, she gets time to think about her engage before the stun triggers.
Le Blanc is harder than you believe, so s Fizz, and Annie has almost no range...
leblance is not hard. you press Q W RW dead target. or maybe some of you forgot that she was recently reverted back to her simple and basic cancer design.
also zoe is not fucking mobile unless she gets lucky with the RNG drops and gets double-triple flashes lol
KlydeFrog1 votesSkills do more damagw