So, burst>dps, dps>tank, and tank>burst.

Dasdi96·Aug 20, 2017·123 votes·5,370 views

That is how the game is supposed to work, but adc's break this triangle because they do bps (burst per second).

145 Comments

ExecutionerAug 20, 201731 votes

Put a adc out by himself against any kind of burst champion 1v1, they die.

koshkyraAug 20, 201757 votes

item 3812 30% burst migitation item 3072 20% more health to survive burst item 3046 12% damage migitation

No.

ExecutionerAug 20, 201724 votes

What adc will buy all three of those items?

MuffledGarbageAug 20, 201714 votes

Draven Graves Varus MissFortune Varus (DEBATABLY) Urgot to name a few

ExecutionerAug 20, 201712 votes

Varus would never buy BT and DD at the same time. Why? His DPS will plummet like a fucking rock.

MF could get maybe get away with it.

Urgot, fuck no, he will never buy all three of those items.

Graves, and Draven are the only ones who could buy all three of those items and be fine.

You also put varus twice.

AmenPersonAug 20, 201719 votes

Because one is Varus, the other is Demon Pants.

ExecutionerAug 20, 20177 votes

Damn those Demon Pants!

deadlychuckAug 20, 201733 votes

You're fucking up if you're buying those on Varus

You should be buying item 3124 item 3115 item 3089

somexotherxguyAug 20, 201711 votes

As someone who has been playing AP Varus in mid for a while. I think item 3124 is a waste. He does better at 100-0'ing anyone his ult touches late game so more AP and burst are preferred. My core items are always item 3146 item 3135 item 3089

deadlychuckAug 20, 20171 votes

I take it for the flexibility. It allows me to swap to AD if the ADC falls behind, but it also helps with getting all 4 possible triple procs. In fact, i actually go item 3124 when i'm playing ADC varus, because it's so gold efficient and you scale perfectly with it... Like a glove.

Though generally i do take item 3146 first into item 3085 . I just prefer the farming, healing, and multi-targeting for team fights. But i do also get item 3089 item 3135 which is generally what brings me up to doing about 40% with my 3 stack W.

FearlessCreatorAug 20, 20172 votes

did this dude just call guinsoos gold efficient????????? it is 68% with no stacks lol that item is trash on almost everyone

deadlychuckAug 20, 20175 votes

Varus scales with AD, AP, atk spd, and on hit.

Overall, not the best option, when it perfectly hits every note of the champion, extremely efficient.

FearlessCreatorAug 20, 20171 votes

the double on hit effect is practically useless on varus 2 autos vs 3 makes no difference because of his ability cds. its not good on ap varus only on hit varus, aka bork hurricane etc

deadlychuckAug 20, 20172 votes

You're just wrong about the on hits.

The fact that you can stack your W in 2 autos instead of 3, and dealing double the on hit damage that the W naturally scales with is huge.

koshkyraAug 20, 20172 votes

when did i say an adc will buy all of those items?

One is enough, two is more than enough, and you can easily have two of those items in an adc build.

CithriaCAug 20, 20173 votes

Oh, we thought you meant all three because having 1 or 2 isn't enough to survive a mage(lux, viegar, syndra, ect.), the only thing that will save you is a maw(mainly vs lux) or a guardian angel.

koshkyraAug 20, 20171 votes

no, you can easily survive a mage burst with DD or BT and then heal it up quickly, and if you have maw thats just icing

CithriaCAug 20, 20172 votes

You will not easily survive a mages burst, in a 1v1 or even teamfight unless the adc gets a shield and heals, they will die vs the mage, unless the mage has less gold, if the mage hits all their abilities.

Also, why didnt the mage kill the adc before they could get close enough to auto them? Most mages have hard cc, even lux's root has more range than an adc, bonus if the adc is walking up to auto a mage.

ZephyrDrakeAug 20, 20177 votes

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30% burst migitation 20% more health to survive burst 12% damage migitation

No.

oh look the holy trinity of items no ADC ever builds. If they build either of them is at most one. Also Phantom Dancer only works if the ADC has hit you before, Lifesteal only works if they are actively hitting you... the entire point of bursting someone is to kill them as fast as possible, they are not supposed to have enough time to actually auto you if you actually played correctly

ExecutionerAug 20, 20172 votes

Also that build would be horrible.

deadlychuckAug 20, 20175 votes

I very often see item 3046 item 3812

It's just a very good combo for not dying insistently to the over popular assassins and skirmishers.

they are not supposed to have enough time to actually auto you if you actually played correctly

If you think that this should be something which exists then go find a different game. I don't want riot catering to someone that wants fights decided faster than it takes to right click (or attack move) the person attacking you. That's cancerous as fuck, no matter the classes.

ZephyrDrakeAug 20, 20176 votes

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I very often see

It's just a very good combo for not dying insistently to the over popular assassins and skirmishers.

If you think that this should be something which exists then go find a different game. I don't want riot catering to someone that wants fights decided faster than it takes to right click (or attack move) the person attacking you. That's cancerous as fuck, no matter the classes.

that is what an assassin is, that is what bursting someone from 100-0 is in this game. Sorry but are you even playing this game? or are you just talking randomly without any thought whatsoever?

Asayake 5150glowAug 20, 20177 votes

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that is what an assassin is, that is what bursting someone from 100-0 is in this game. Sorry but are you even playing this game? or are you just talking randomly without any thought whatsoever?

Psst, basically the entire assassin roster got changes to make it harder or impossible to 100 in the blink of an eye. That's why ADCs are so strong when assassins aren't broken.

ZephyrDrakeAug 20, 20174 votes

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Psst, basically the entire assassin roster got changes to make it harder or impossible to 100 in the blink of an eye. That's why ADCs are so strong when assassins aren't broken.

all it did was delay their damage, they can still 100-0 people very easily. Someone autoing you when they are already at full HP isn't going to do much unless you have BT which almost nobody ever builds

AmazoXAug 20, 20172 votes

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30% burst migitation 20% more health to survive burst 12% damage migitation

No.

DD turns 30% of damage taken into DoT over 3 seconds PD however is a complete 12% damage reduction.

koshkyraAug 20, 20174 votes

Thats why i said

Burst migitation

You're negating 30% of burst, not damage.

SociopathFriendAug 20, 20172 votes

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30% burst migitation

How does that "negate" burst? You can't heal if you die. Edit: It seems I always misunderstood how the item works- I never play ADC.

koshkyraAug 20, 20173 votes

It negates burst because it lowers all burst on you by 30%

What are you not getting?

SociopathFriendAug 21, 20172 votes

Oh, I always thought it lowered your damage and then allowed you to heal it back over time better, which was why assassins were taking it.

I guess it building out of NOTHING that should give defense values is what confused me.

VerxintAug 21, 20177 votes

There's footage of champs like Twitch and Caitlyn outright bursting assassins like Talon and Kassadin from melee range without even kiting, and the ADC isn't fed.

ExecutionerAug 21, 20172 votes

im not surprised.

rtbf68910336Aug 21, 20175 votes

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VerxintAug 21, 20171 votes

You can say that all you want, but I've seen this shit with my own eyes. In the time it takes talon's blades to collapse, the ADC gets an attack off, lifesteals half their HP, and chunks talon below half. Doesn't matter if he's been feeding all game, once he has his build he's no longer weak to the class he's supposed to be weak to.

ThefrostyvikingAug 20, 201713 votes

Good sir, you clearly don't play cho, seju, zac or ....maokai?

And you´ve never played a marksman into any of them either.

You´d quickly realize that those fellows really don't mind the marksmen half as much as you´d expect.

With the exception of Vayne , everyone minds this one.....

ExecutionerAug 20, 20176 votes

I feel like im getting cancer against those champions.

ThefrostyvikingAug 20, 20174 votes

They're just real tanks, you need specialized picks and builds when playing against them, or to end the game quickly before they can scale up to their potential.

At least, that's the case with Seju who has a very good lategame i think^^

Maligaro SpikeAug 20, 20171 votes

Seju's late is good because she's a tank with item 3109 and semiglobal item 3025 but she won't be a dmg treat anymore

ThefrostyvikingAug 20, 20171 votes

Her passive is amazing for the intial engage, like 3 seconds with over 200 extra armor and MR.

Then you use stoneplate right after while sticking to your target, all you need to help your team is to soak damage and stun people which are both doable under stoneplate.

Then if needed you can back of shortly, regain your passive and some health with warmog and rush in against and repeat the process.

It´s how i played it to good success at least c,

DivewingAug 21, 20172 votes

Trundle thanks I'm unkillable hehe xD

naveenrenoldAug 20, 201710 votes

thats yasuo

Velzard of KozAug 20, 20177 votes

Welp, Yasuo technically is ADC - Attack Damage Carry - by proper definition and builds halfly as one by common usage of the word.

Solari FortuneAug 20, 20179 votes

I do Bananas Per Second Soraka item 3031 item 3087

DivewingAug 21, 20172 votes

item 3076 Kill yourself

FilDaFunkAug 20, 20177 votes

So it's a tetrahedron, with bps at the top, countering everything.

MonkeyMadnessAug 20, 20174 votes

Actually I think the real issue that most tanks just aren't tanky enough, not that ADCs are that overtuned (sure, maybe they are a bit strong, but i think the real issue is that the champs that are supposed to deal with them are just weak at present).

Dasdi96Aug 20, 201711 votes

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Actually I think the real issue that most tanks just aren't tanky enough, not that ADCs are that overtuned (sure, maybe they are a bit strong, but i think the real issue is that the champs that are supposed to deal with them are just weak at present).

Most of the real tankiness is locked behind item 3193 which honestly shouldn't exist. Without it they aren't tanky enough because there isn't good hp from items. Bruisers have it even worse because they don't buy it which means they explode in team fights even though they are supposed to survive for more than 5 seconds.

KloqdqAug 21, 20172 votes

I have been saying this for ages. Tankiness is too locked behind Stoneplate for the classes own good.

Hovering HentaiAug 20, 20173 votes

I landed a passive procced Velkoz ult as a Jinx stood in front of me with item 3072 and item 3046

I won

adc sustain is not at strong as people make it out to be

KaìjuAug 21, 20173 votes

I've noticed that over the past year as my ADC improves. I really do think the only way to fix it would be to remove crit. It scales too hard into the late game and breaks the curve. I kinda think ADCs should just have a much more intense AD per level stat so that they can end the game with say 350 or 400 AD normally, but without gritting for a extra 600. People like Darius do fuck tons of damage with just autos later, it should be kinda like that button a ranged champion.