the bamis cinder and cinderhulk changes overtuned tank junglers

Shadow Hazard··2 votes·267 views

Looking at multiple stat metrics shows it as a fact outside of seeing it from the point of view of personally playing matching or watching streams.

The bami's change improved their clear speed across the board, which was the first problem caused with the tank junglers that were already the pack alpha's of the junglers. Making cinderhulk cheaper was the overkill point, allowing these champs who again were already generally the strongest group of the meta the patch before, let them powerspike earliest of any of the other jungler types. Even if the items are tuned down a little, tank junglers as a group are in a generally overtuned state that requires definite tuning down for the kits of most of them.

On that similar note bloodrazor junglers who should generally be the natural counters to the tank junglers are all doing comparatively lackluster. Where this item is something that can use some very distinct heavy retuning more than the champ themselves do currently.

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Incognonymous1 votes

There's little incentive to counterjungle since the removal of the sated devourer line.

The problem with Cinderhulk is that anyone who could benefit from it would do better buying a damage item fitting their damage type, boots, then Sunfire Cape. Especially since the Echo line of AP items replaced the old Spellblade item. Pretty much any moderately AP scaling will add a shitton of damage to their initiation with Runic Echoes.

Shadow Hazard1 votes

The point about bloodrazor being a literal counter isn't about the idea of counterjungling, the item should be a very natural counter to at least that group of champs but that is clearly not the case not just for jungle duels but at all points of the game.

on the second point the only tank jungler that falls into that group of going for echo over cinderhulk is gragas. Everyone else is running cinderhulk.

Incognonymous1 votes

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The point about bloodrazor being a literal counter isn't about the idea of counterjungling, the item should be a very natural counter to at least that group of champs but that is clearly not the case not just for jungle duels but at all points of the game.

on the second point the only tank jungler that falls into that group of going for echo over cinderhulk is gragas. Everyone else is running cinderhulk.

I understood you. Devourer's magic on hit was more useful than Bloodrazor's physical due to the prevalence of armor vs. magic resist though.

But my point was that counterjungling was a natural way to handle punish tank jungler clears, especially after Ranger's Trailblazer removal.

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