Stats don't matter if you survive till late game

Who is Taliyah·Mar 25, 2017·13 votes·1,392 views

https://i.gyazo.com/9b8523c5ca88d8866a2ece89901a82df.png Everyone was even at late game, we just had to survive this long with clearing waves and poking.

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HeresyHorusMar 25, 20174 votes

wrong.

u won because u had 2 ADCs with overloaded kits who must be focused by at least 3 guys at once each considering the enemy lacked multiple targeted hard cc or instant aoe ones.

simple as that.

u couldn't have won if u had a melee top who isn't MasterYi Ekko Gangplank or had Mordekaiser bot for example.

Who is TaliyahMar 25, 20175 votes

No, we won because the enemy team fucked up their siege, getting poked by me and karma and finally destroyed when they couldn't heal the incoming damage anymore. Vayne and quinn didn't really do much in the last fight other than being standby and cleaning up after we rushed for victory.

HeresyHorusMar 25, 20172 votes

No, we won because the enemy team fucked up their siege

if they fucked up, thats a different story.

if ur skills were equal and everyone played perfectly, u will still win just because how hard Vayne and Quinn naturally shits over most of their champs by virtue of kit alone.

getting poked by me and karma

Vayne and quinn didn't really do much in the last fight other than being standby

originaly that is called the MasterYi effect.

the enemy will tunnel vision u so hard cuz they know how retard ur champ is to the point were they will do nothing and ignore everything and just wait ur move.

this apply to Vayne Quinn Katarina Rengar MissFortune too for example and there are others.

u just have to stand near thier sight and spam laugh while ur team win it for u. i am a MasterYi main, i know what this effect is.

ArakadiaMar 25, 20172 votes

I'm not saying she's well designed but Vayne is overloaded?

An ms buff, AD buff, stun, % true damage passive, and dash isn't all that much for on ADC. For example Camille has a shield, healing, slow, 3 dashes, true damage, % max hp, magic damage, auto resets, a stun, AND her ult which is some weird zoning tool.

LordGeovanniMar 25, 20171 votes

2 movement speed buffs, a super low cooldown dash, %highest % health true damage (besides garens long cooldown actual low range ultimate on a conditional target and that still isnt fair) in the game 3 stacks doesnt make it not easy to stack when adcs with 1 item reach near 2.0 attack speed. Knock back, and or stun and invisibility spam and ad steroid. none of this is taking into account her range and that adcs are supposed to be auto attack reliant not spell singers and build crit cammile is far less overloaded has 2 dashes, % damage, true damage (her true damage being the only broken part of her kit since release but riot nerfs everything but that every patch) sheild, movement speed boost when she hits her q camille does have insignificant healing that you need to hit on a full wave of minions and a champion a stun attack speed steroid after useing e now only if she hits it. an ult that keeps you within its bounds but you its medium size not throwing allies where they cant help you and not keeping you so close that you cant kite her around her ult. the thing is unlike vayne Camille has to commit to use her kit. camille is just a champion that no one wants to find the weaknesses of but other champions that have been broken for a far longer time riot wont nerf for months if not hot fix nerf them then another 10 nerfs the next 2 patches. Camille is still not healthy yea because they nerf everything on her but her problem. the true damage which is not % true damage but a % of what her first q's damage was which will end up a base number.

ArakadiaMar 25, 20171 votes

2 movement speed buffs

You mean one buff that can be increased. They don't stack. Its not two buffs or it would appear as two on the champion.

a super low cooldown dash

Exaggerating her stats don't make her any more overloaded. And her Q has a 6 second CD AFTER hitting, which is far from low CD when you have Yasuo and Riven in the game. Again, not saying Vayne is in a good spot, but she's not at all overloaded.

%highest % health true damage

Doesn't matter if its the highest or lowest in the game, this is only one feature. And there's only like 4 champions in the game with % health true damage.

in the game 3 stacks doesnt make it not easy to stack when adcs with 1 item reach near 2.0 attack speed.

Nope but a lower range squishy ADC does have to commit for those autos. And we're not talking balance, we're talking how overloaded she is.

Knock back, and or stun

A single target CC spell. Looks like we agree on this.

invisibility spam and ad steroid.

True.

adcs are supposed to be auto attack reliant not spell singers and build crit

I have no clue where you got that. Lucian , Jhin , KogMaw , Ezreal , Varus are all either spell slingers or don't build much, if any crit.

cammile is far less overloaded has 2 dashes camilles % damage is not her True damage (her true damage being the only broken part of her kit since release but riot nerfs everything but that every patch) camille does have insignificant healing that you need to hit on a full wave of minions and a champion.

Not every patch. Camille is ridiculously more overloaded than Vayne.

if not hot fix nerf them then another 10 nerfs the next 2 patches.

I might misunderstand you so please correct me, but also use punctuation 'cause I'm not exactly sure what you mean. Sounds like you want a champion gutted. Beyond words gutted.

Camille is still not healthy yea because they nerf everything on her but her problem. the true damage which is not % true damage but a % of what her first q's damage was which will end up a base number.

Camille has more problems than you think. Her only problem is not her true damage. True damage is absolutely fine in League, even needed for balance. She's overloaded beyond belief, is a generalist with no clear weaknesses, doesn't have enough downtime, too little risk for a diver, and is too difficult to counterbuild. She is horridly designed for many reasons, not just because of her true damage.

LordGeovanniMar 27, 20171 votes

what ranged champion has 14+ cooldown non ultimate dash. none but melee champions should have higher cooldown dashes with less use than any ranged champ right. and adcs that get to be adc and mage in one doesnt mean shit when adcs are supposed to be consistant ranged auto attacks

ArakadiaMar 27, 20171 votes

Your lack of punctuation, capitalization, organization, and focus makes your reply extremely difficult to completely understand. I'm not sure what your saying except that Camille, with a extremely strong dash, has a long cd on her dash. And than you ignore all her other problems and the rest of her kit.

chipndip1Mar 26, 20171 votes

How is Vayne overloaded?

And Quinn SUCKS late. How is she a pain point?

MarshbouyMar 25, 20173 votes

that nidalee build is quite the sight to see

Who is TaliyahMar 25, 20171 votes

Tank nida :^)

Weight of LawMar 26, 20173 votes

If you want to see a weird Nidalee build

http://imgur.com/8sWdN0N

RaoulMar 25, 20173 votes

You had a Vayne, When the game reaches 30 Minutes, the team with Vayne wins unless the player is braindead...

Tahminatrix Mar 25, 20172 votes

Well ya, thats really the point of early game champs .. to tilt you and finish mid game before you catch up....if anyone calls you noob for winning with a really bad score when you have a late game comp then they are the newbies since you clearly did very well or the enemy didnt know what to do to finish.

atleast most of your comp was late game..they had a leesin who falls off but then again they had a kog

HeresyHorusMar 25, 20172 votes

they had low targeted hard cc or instant aoe hard cc against Vayne Quinn

especially Vayne as if u didnt kill her during that 0.75 sec Annie stun u need to chain another targeted hard cc or u are going to lose and especially if she were smart and got 1 def item ( which she did in that game ).

and thier KogMaw build was extremely dependent on him landing his Q which is nearly impossible against mobile hags like Vayne Quinn . and with item 3124 he need to stack it before hand for his damage to be on par with Vayne Quinn

Asayake 5150glowMar 26, 20171 votes

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Well ya, thats really the point of early game champs .. to tilt you and finish mid game before you catch up....if anyone calls you noob for winning with a really bad score when you have a late game comp then they are the newbies since you clearly did very well or the enemy didnt know what to do to finish.

atleast most of your comp was late game..they had a leesin who falls off but then again they had a kog

Quinn is supposed to fall off pretty hard, although I think the reason they won was because of Kog's lack of lifesteal. If Kog had been able to draintank his way through everything, they woulda been fine - it wouldn't have been that hard either, because of Janna. Quinn's 20% crit Steraks+LDR meant her squishy annihilating wasn't great. Vayne's low AD (only Bork and IE) meant she probably wouldn't have been able to oneshot Kog either. But his team had a ton of damage, there was virtually no CC on his team. All the carries having self peel did help, though, with Condemn, Vault, and Explosive Satchel.

Tahminatrix Mar 26, 20171 votes

Quinn does not fall off hard at all...she becomes a tank shredding adc with mobility...

Asayake 5150glowMar 26, 20171 votes

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Quinn does not fall off hard at all...she becomes a tank shredding adc with mobility...

Hah no.

She becomes either an exceptionally squishy assassin (Rengar's and Zed's usually get 2.6k health) with Lethality focused builds or a low range ADC who's main dueling tool (Q) is easily bodyblocked with Crit, or a tank shredder whose splitting and dueling is godly but teamfight damage is mediocre.

Tahminatrix Mar 26, 20171 votes

How is deleting the enemy tank considered bad teamfight damage, by deleting a tank you have successfully made them useless...all that gold spent on resistances rather than dmg and they are just gone.....imagine the impact that person would have had if they are not shredded so fast...

Just because her role switches late game does not mean she is weak late game..nor does she fall off

Asayake 5150glowMar 26, 20171 votes

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How is deleting the enemy tank considered bad teamfight damage, by deleting a tank you have successfully made them useless...all that gold spent on resistances rather than dmg and they are just gone.....imagine the impact that person would have had if they are not shredded so fast...

Just because her role switches late game does not mean she is weak late game..nor does she fall off

Because she can't delete them, she dps's them and is fairly tanky while she does it. That's the point of the tankshred build, not to delete tanks.

She is weak late game because she's low ranged and squishy without hard CC.

Tahminatrix Mar 27, 20171 votes

then you have not seen a quinn with item 3035 along with normal flat lethality items..

Asayake 5150glowMar 27, 20171 votes

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then you have not seen a quinn with along with normal flat lethality items..

Then Quinn should be squishy af and die to anyone with any burst.
Then she still doesn't delete them, she needs attackspeed and/or crit to actually melt tanks.

Sahn UzalMar 25, 20171 votes

Uhm.. Yeah, that's how that tends to work.

Is this something I assume people understand when they don't?

Tahminatrix Mar 25, 20171 votes

(yes ,sadly) ...except for infinite scaling champs......which he didnt have to worry about

dunder killMar 25, 20171 votes

We know. Or I should say anyone who played late season 4 - early season 5 knows. Stalling for lategame was actually the meta.

Kukan SeishinMar 26, 20171 votes

Why U play ziggs when you main Taliyah tho?

Who is TaliyahMar 26, 20171 votes

That's a funny story. Well not really. I got filled adc and wanted to swap mid. I locked in ziggs to play him bot when vayne said ok go mid we're premade bot anyways.

chipndip1Mar 26, 20171 votes

How a Kog couldn't be properly defended from a Quinn without Edge of Night and an AD Nidalee when he has a Janna with him...I'll never know. Norms, amIrightorwhat?