You totally deserved the ban if

Who is Taliyah·Jan 8, 2017·101 votes·4,635 views

you tell someone to kill themselves. You act all funny and do not see how dangerous those words are. Not everyone is as mentally stable as you think. Some people are actually extremely depressed because of their real life and stuff and just want to play a match of league to calm down. Obviously they can't play to their extend because they still think about the problems irl. Now you come in, you notice they play bad and flame them. It doesn't help anyone, it just prevents them from calming down. Some people are even so much depressed that they were close to kill themselves for real. Do not encourage someone to commit suicide by saying "kys". Coming from me, I have been depressed for a long time too. I was close to commit, but I didn't, which is why I am here today and I am glad my life is somehow normal again. Others do not have the opportunity to change things to the better right now, keep that in mind.

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UnboundCreatorJan 9, 201712 votes

down voting this sorry but mental weakness is part of natural selection.

mikemcpartyJan 9, 201711 votes

So everyone who wears glasses, is handicapped, or has any type of sickness should be killed?

Do you realize how stupid you are? This is coming from a science teacher.

UnboundCreatorJan 9, 20173 votes

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So everyone who wears glasses, is handicapped, or has any type of sickness should be killed?

Do you realize how stupid you are? This is coming from a science teacher.

I think you replied to the wrong person bro lol

mikemcpartyJan 9, 201710 votes

No. I'm replying to the right person. You downvoted OP because "mental weakness is part of natural selection?"

You joking?

UnboundCreatorJan 9, 20173 votes

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No. I'm replying to the right person. You downvoted OP because "mental weakness is part of natural selection?"

You joking?

Glasses and sickness are mental weakness?

mikemcpartyJan 9, 201711 votes

They are physical ailments in which, without human intervention, you would not survive. Mental disorders are considered as sicknesses and are treated as such by the medical community. Who are you to say that these people should be weeded out by natural selection, but someone who is born with terrible eyesight shouldn't be? or someone who is born with a debilitating disease? According to your logic, natural selection should have killed those people too. If we wanted to succeed as a human population, we should kill everyone who isn't "perfect." Wait.... That line of thinking sounds similar to another famous person in history, Hitler.

UnboundCreatorJan 9, 20174 votes

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They are physical ailments in which, without human intervention, you would not survive. Mental disorders are considered as sicknesses and are treated as such by the medical community. Who are you to say that these people should be weeded out by natural selection, but someone who is born with terrible eyesight shouldn't be? or someone who is born with a debilitating disease? According to your logic, natural selection should have killed those people too. If we wanted to succeed as a human population, we should kill everyone who isn't "perfect." Wait.... That line of thinking sounds similar to another famous person in history, Hitler.

There you go twisting my words. All I'm saying is if you commit suicide because of depression then that's natural selection. I've been through some very rough times in my life but i've never considered suicide. And who am I to say this? I'm the random internet man who can say my opinion because everyone has them

mikemcpartyJan 9, 20179 votes

I'm saying that you have no idea what you are talking about and for you to say that people who commit suicide are "aiding in the process of natural selection" is wrong and insanely insensitive. Like others have stated, mental illnesses, while some may be hereditary or not, would have no effect on natural selection. If someone has a mental illness, it does not guarantee that their child will also have that illness. Your initial comment showed that you don't know what you are talking about and even if you have an opinion, it is uneducated and incorrect. Welcome to the internet, where there are people who know more than you about certain topics. Especially when you decide to discuss natural selection and mental illness with a biologist and science teacher. Good luck with life, hopefully you never have a mental illness and have to commit suicide in order to preserve natural selection.

UnboundCreatorJan 9, 20171 votes

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mikemcpartyJan 9, 201711 votes

Oversensitivity? You essentially just stated that you don't care if people who have mental illnesses commit suicide because of natural selection... Do you realize how dangerous that line of thinking is? Clearly, you have never lost someone near to you to suicide or mental illness. It is truly unfortunate that you think the way that you do. One day, your opinion will change.

GotTiltJan 10, 20172 votes

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Oversensitivity? You essentially just stated that you don't care if people who have mental illnesses commit suicide because of natural selection... Do you realize how dangerous that line of thinking is? Clearly, you have never lost someone near to you to suicide or mental illness. It is truly unfortunate that you think the way that you do. One day, your opinion will change.

I honestly think you are being emotional and a bit over the top. Also is he not allowed to have any opinion he wants, is this not America? Did someone not mention Hitler? Paradox.
BUT since we are talking about science lets point out the fact that natural selection will probably never be able to eliminate the mental illness. Mental illness has been around for ages and it can't be, for lack of a better word, eliminated because there are factors like recessive genes, dormant genes that show up later in life after reproduction already occurred, etc. Therefore by natural selection standards, is mental illness considered something that should be taken out of the picture? Yes. near sight and other illness? Yes. Will it? No. The world rarely operates on what should happen and so let's focus on what is happening. If you lost a friend to depression, then prevent another from experiencing the same by contributing to the national suicide prevention hotline. Not drag your science teacher status as a credential shield on an online game forum to convince another human being to change their opinion on a topic that is as contradictory as the garden of eve.

vOmvbrawfUJan 9, 20172 votes

I'm saying that you have no idea what you are talking about and for you to say that people who commit suicide are "aiding in the process of natural selection" is wrong and insanely insensitive.

It may be insanely insensitive, but it actually IS the definition of natural selection. So I'm not sure why you're saying it isn't.

GreatWhiteNorthJan 17, 20171 votes

One can not aid in the process of natural selection. Aiding is altering...

vOmvbrawfUJan 17, 20171 votes

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Supreme Senpai69Jan 9, 20176 votes

Natural selection only works when an individual with an unfavorable trait dies before being able to reproduce. If mental weakness is a part of natural selection, it means you think them dying before being able to reproduce is a good thing. His comment extrapolated from that and showed that with that line of thinking, you think people who are physically handicapped should die before being able to reproduce.

Unfortunately with environmental factors and certain unfavorable traits being recessive, natural selection doesn't really apply to humans. So people who say that risk sounding like a douche for nothing

UnboundCreatorJan 9, 20172 votes

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Natural selection only works when an individual with an unfavorable trait dies before being able to reproduce. If mental weakness is a part of natural selection, it means you think them dying before being able to reproduce is a good thing. His comment extrapolated from that and showed that with that line of thinking, you think people who are physically handicapped should die before being able to reproduce.

Unfortunately with environmental factors and certain unfavorable traits being recessive, natural selection doesn't really apply to humans. So people who say that risk sounding like a douche for nothing

Yeah If you're weak enough to commit suicide then you shouldn't reproduce that is exactly what im saying

Supreme Senpai69Jan 9, 20175 votes

Read that second part. Wanting to commit suicide isn't necessarily hereditary. Has nothing to do with natural selection

vOmvbrawfUJan 9, 20172 votes

He didn't say people with metal weaknesses should be killed to begin with. Maybe you should contact your English teacher for help in reading comprehension.

mikemcpartyJan 9, 20171 votes

You know the definition of Natural Selection?

vOmvbrawfUJan 9, 20171 votes

I sure do. But just because someone says "natural selection" doesn't mean they should be killed. In fact, since we're talking about mental weakness, it's more than plausible that he was talking about suicide.

I mean, your comments seem to give off the impression that you are unfamiliar with the term. People who wear glasses have bad vision. They invented glasses to make up for this. That's natural selection at it's finest sir, the ability to adapt. If you have a mental weakness, chose not to take steps to better the situation, you are not the fittest. That's quite clearly what OP is saying. If you have a mental weakness and some random person on the internet telling you to kill yourself ACTUALLY makes you do it, then why not mute everyone? You cannot control what they say, so it's only obvious to take steps to do what YOU can. If you do not, and you end up killing yourself, that's natural selection. Those with mental weaknesses that seek help and mute until their emotional state is better, are more fit than those who sit in a corner and cry. Natural selection. OP never hinted that people with weak minds should be murdered. So your comparison that people with glasses should be killed is completely irrelevant. Stupid even. If you want to compare with people with glasses, a better comparison would be something like, "It's someone's own fault if they need glasses and don't get them and decide to drive a car and crash into a pole and die." Because that is true. Just as playing a game known for it's shitty community and not muting players the person's fault.

People have rage issues, no? Is that not a mental issue just the same as depression, just on the opposite spectrum? So you're going to run into people that are going to be dicks. You are never going to be able to avoid that. If you don't use the tools given to you to avoid such things while in an unstable environment, then you only have yourself to blame to be honest. Killing people is bad, right? People obviously shouldn't do it. Yet if I walked around downtown Youngstown wearing a KKK outfit, you best believe I'm going to get shot. While that person shouldn't shoot me, it's still my fault for being a dumbass about it.

For someone claiming to be in the area of science, you surely don't seem like it.

mikemcpartyJan 9, 20172 votes

First off, when UnboundCreator stated that he was against bans for telling people to kill themselves because it was "better for natural selection." Natural selection implies death, as it doesn't work unless death occurs. Death before reproduction actually. His statement said he was okay with people killing themselves because, according to him, it would make the human population healthier and more fit.

Humans essentially cheat natural selection with our intelligence. Without the invention of glasses and eyewear, you would die in nature without the ability to see. Cooperation has allowed our population to thrive over the years. Mental illness is something which we, as a population, have recognized as something that needs treatment. We use medicine to treat this, ultimately cheating natural selection yet again. Your logic is flawed because you are under the assumption that people who actually commit suicide are doing it with no actual mental illness nor are they choosing seek any type of treatment.

What you are doing is victim blaming. You cannot blame the victim, as they cannot predict how their harasser will act. This is like me walking into a store and beating someone. They weren't prepared to be beaten, so they are mentally weak and should be killed anyways. In an easily predictable situation, like walking down the street dressed in KKK garb, then the outcome is easily predicted and victim blaming doesn't hold true. It cannot be predicted that you are going to play a game online and people are going to repeatedly tell you to kill yourself.

It is also important to realize that, for many with mental illness, video games are a way for them to get away from some of the conflict that they have in their lives. Who are you to tell them that they can't do this because they are too "mentally weak."

vOmvbrawfUJan 10, 20172 votes

Humans do not "cheat" natural selection with intelligence. Intelligence is just one form of natural selection lol. It's not as applicable in todays world of safety, but the concept stands. A man creating fire to survive through the winter isn't "cheating" natural selection, he is an example of it.

No, my assumption does not assume that people are committing suicide without mental illness. My assumption is that people with mental illnesses that kill themselves where unable/unwilling to utilize tools to enable them to survive. That's the concept behind natural selection. The ability to adapt. If you're unable to adapt by seeking treatment or something as easy as hitting the mute button, you are not adapting to your environment. That's why you die off. So while Darwin used genes and mutations as his example, the concept still applies to intelligence. It's all about adapting. Whether that be by intelligence in creating tools to adapt, or the traditional theory genetics. It's still adaptation.

That's not victim blaming. It's just the definition of natural selection. If they aren't strong enough to adapt, they will be killed off (in this scenario, kill themselves). Just because that may be "insensitive" (or quite frankly, just being a dick), doesn't mean it's incorrect. They cannot predict how their harasser may act, agreed. Which is why being intelligent and proactively muting is the smart thing to do, just as not walking around downtown Youngstown dressed in KKK clothing is the smart thing to do. You say it cannot be predicted, but yet this community is literally known for being a shit storm. So yes, it is predictable.

And what do you say to those suffering from mental illnesses that cause them to rage out in video games? Anger issues if you will. Do you just say fuck them and they shouldn't be able to play? Because that's the same exact thing as telling someone with depressive issues that they should just deal with it.

GotTiltJan 10, 2017

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So everyone who wears glasses, is handicapped, or has any type of sickness should be killed?

Do you realize how stupid you are? This is coming from a science teacher.

I just want to point out that because you are a science teacher doesn't make you smart... nor does it give any credential to your comment. Sounds a bit full of ego to be honest.

mikemcpartyJan 10, 20173 votes

When I have a degree in biology, I am more than qualified to discuss natural selection.

GotTiltJan 15, 2017

I would think the person who taught you biology is more qualified. Yet I also fear for the student you raise since humility is clearly not your strong point I foresaw a future generation of arrogant idiots. . Wait ... it's already happened! Now I know why. Thanks Teacher.

mikemcpartyJan 16, 20172 votes

I challenge you to step foot into a classroom to teach. Clearly, your English teacher failed you. Now, back to the point at hand. If you can find something to refute here, then do so. Otherwise, stop pretending like you know what you are talking about.

You saying that because I have a degree in biology and a masters in education does not make me qualified to teach or discuss science is the equivalent of saying a doctor is not qualified to be a doctor after completing all of the necessary schooling.

Wishing you the best.

GotTiltFeb 6, 20171 votes

I have taught. Thank you. My English teacher clearly failed me in teaching me how to deal with someone like you, that I must agree.

Also, shall we say I have more degrees and in more varying fields than you, one of them being comp science. and no I don't think any of the above qualifies me to tell another person how they think about a controversial topic (i.e. AI). My English teacher was right about one thing though: some people are not fit to be instructors. You demonstrated that. Thank lord my biology teacher was more open minded.

mikemcpartyFeb 6, 20171 votes

Who did you teach? What age? For how long? What courses? Any of them science, by chance?

There is nothing I have said that isn't "open minded." Clearly, you haven't been paying attention to the discussion at hand. If you can find one comment I have that isn't open-minded, please point it out to me. My whole argument is against the sentiment that people who have genetic dispositions should be eliminated by natural selection, which is basically the whole point of this discussion.

So, unless you have something to add, that is scientifically relevant and showing that you have a background in the sciences, then there is nothing else we need to talk about here.

Nik NikersonJan 8, 201711 votes

, I have been depressed for a long time too. I was close to commit, but I didn't

And if someone had typed "kys" at any point during your depression, would you not be here right now?

Jesse PinkmânJan 8, 20173 votes

I agree with you but people are super sensitive now a days because the way they were raised they were told they were gonna grow up to be amazing. While this maybe amazing most people don't figure out that they arent that great

Divine WindsJan 9, 20177 votes

But most people who are depressed know they aren't great. Which is why they are depressed. Telling a depressed person to go kys is like laughing at someone who is disabled or mentally ill. You wouldn't do it. Anyone normal wouldn't do it. Because it's just wrong.

Votable JesterJan 9, 20178 votes

The thing is, if even just .001% of people actually would, that would be a few lives lost. Compare that to the nonexistent gains for saying "kys," and it becomes pretty clear that it's not worth even the slight risk.

This isn't even mentioning the more common negatives when you say "kys" such as tilting further, raging, afking, and intentionally feeding..

Nik NikersonJan 9, 20172 votes

I'm not saying people should say it. I'm saying "someone may kill themselves" is a terrible argument that shouldn't be used.

Divine WindsJan 9, 20173 votes

But it's still hurting them. Whether or not they commit suicide doesn't matter. what matters is that that tiny statement can cause someone to have panic attacks, or anxiety. Depressed people don't become depressed because they want to. They have issues in their life, whether buisness/money related, or family related, you need to respect that. So saying 'kys' isn't respectable at all. Would you say that to your manager?

Nik NikersonJan 9, 20174 votes

And that is how the issue should be addressed. Not as a matter of "What if someone kills themselves?!?!?"

AnidanJan 9, 20175 votes

As someone who has also gone through depression, with it currently in recess: It's not that it would be something that makes me want to kill myself, but it brings what is supposed to be an enjoyable activity to a screeching halt in my mind. If I'm playing a game and someone tells me to kill myself then my head isn't in the game anymore. Not because I'm considering the act, but because it accidentally hits where they probably didn't think it would hit in my psyche at that moment, so now I'm focused on regaining my composure, not the game. After the game I take a bit for myself if it's still bothering me before I play because I don't want to bring those tilted thoughts to my next game, but in the interim it's adding a small niggling voice in that back of your head that adds to the chorus of perceived reasons of why my depression is justified which is something you have to actively address when you have depression so it doesn't overwhelm you.

I wouldn't kill myself because of someone on the internet, but it can hit home in a way they didn't want, which makes me play even worse.. Besides, it's altogether counterproductive to tell your teammate that they're so bad they aren't keeping around on Earth despite the fact that part of your chances of victory lie on that person you just insulted. So even if they don't have my issue, they may take that and use it to justify being a douche in return, creating a positive feedback loop.

CochoJan 8, 20179 votes

I see this post like every other week

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Who is TaliyahJan 8, 20179 votes

It's important to remind people not to lose their mind.

Supreme Senpai69Jan 8, 20179 votes

I don't think anyone on the boards are the kinds of people to say that though, to be fair. Not that the point doesn't have merit. Just all these threads are sorta preaching to the choir

Edit: Wow nevermind, half the people here are pieces of shit lmao. Just scrolled through the comments

Hauling AsheJan 9, 20177 votes

As someone who has struggled with depression for years, being told to "kys" would not make me want to kill myself directly. It does, however, affect a depressed psyche at a different level.

This game helped bring me up to manageable levels of depression instead of the suicidal mindset I actually was dwelling in at the time I began playing. Being told to "kys" would never make someone commit suicide, but it might eventually push players like me away from a game that was having a positive impact on our lives... which could lead them back to a state of deep depression and suicidal behavior.

As it becomes a more and more common phrase, the growing popularity of "kys" just drains a person with depression of any hope for society. Depressed people are heavy thinkers. And thinking about how desensitized and careless society is brings those suffering down to even deeper levels. And there is a point where some people will succumb to their depression in one terrible, final, violent act.

McFatalJan 8, 20176 votes

and if i tell an intentional feeder hes an asshole?

is that uncalled for?

Jo0oJan 8, 20179 votes

"You're an asshole" alone isn't going to get you punished. It, in additional to further flaming, becomes harassment.

Honestly, barring full-on "kill yourself", slurs, or other particularly terrible things, a single line is never going to trigger a punishment. It's about repetition, from what I've seen.

And really, calling an int feeder out accomplishes nothing. They're trolling and actually WANT your reaction. Calling them out is giving them what they want, in addition to opening yourself up for the potential of a chat behavior punishment. It's not worth doing.

McFatalJan 8, 20172 votes

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"You're an asshole" alone isn't going to get you punished. It, in additional to further flaming, becomes harassment.

Honestly, barring full-on "kill yourself", slurs, or other particularly terrible things, a single line is never going to trigger a punishment. It's about repetition, from what I've seen.

And really, calling an int feeder out accomplishes nothing. They're trolling and actually WANT your reaction. Calling them out is giving them what they want, in addition to opening yourself up for the potential of a chat behavior punishment. It's not worth doing.

hard to keep calm when you're in promos and someone decides to pick ad singed and run down mid 50 times

Jo0oJan 8, 20176 votes

It's less about keeping calm and being a zen master, and more about simply reacting in a healthy manner.

I won't claim to just let int feeders slide on a personal level, but if I start raging, I'm doing it verbally or physically. Walking in a circle around the computer, shouting, talking shit in Discord to my friends, etc. What I WONT do is give the troll the satisfaction of reacting via in-game chat.

Troll for TrumpJan 8, 20173 votes

Walking in a circle around the computer, shouting, talking shit in Discord to my friends, etc.

Taking anger out in real life is just as unhealthy. YOu just won't get punished for it.

Int. Feeding and Trolling are different.

Jo0oJan 8, 20177 votes

Bottling up anger is worse. It's best to not get angry at a video game, but if it DOES happen, better to express it in some fashion that doesn't get you punished.

Int feeding is a form of trolling, not sure what you're getting at here. It's taking an action contrary to what is expected of you in order to provoke a response of anger from your victim. If somebody isn't a troll, then their feeding isn't intentional, they're just bad.

Troll for TrumpJan 8, 20171 votes

You have to bottle up anger, and you shouldn't be angry around people you know.

Int feeding is just feeding intentionally. It's not trying to get angry responses. If it is, it's inting AND trolling. Trolling is doing something just to get people ticked off. People can int for many reasons.

Jo0oJan 8, 20174 votes

I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing regarding anger. Pretty sure "bottling up anger" is the thing that everybody says NOT to do for mental health reasons.

What reasons do people have to intentionally feed other than harming their team? I mean, you can't int without pissing your team off, and anybody who ints knows that.

Troll for TrumpJan 8, 20171 votes

It's a side effect, but you aren't inting to make them get pissed.

Jo0oJan 8, 20173 votes

What other purpose can inting have?

I guess somebody trying to throw the game because they've given up but can't surrender isn't technically a "troll", but we're deep into semantics here. The point I wanted to make was simple: Flaming an int-feeder accomplishes nothing, and may even be what they wanted you to do.