We already had an entire season of ADCs deciding the entirety of the game

Yenn·Feb 10, 2018·54 votes·2,740 views

Do we really need to have another?

119 Comments

JackMcSnipeyzFeb 10, 201826 votes

I had games where i wrecked botlane, but my top took a useless pick and some gnar or yasuo or riven just got so fed they rolled over the entire team with their tankiness/mobility/damage. Every role can carry, but i guess it's easier to blame your loss on the meta and not your lack of skills.

KlydeFrogFeb 10, 20183 votes

Ikr lol wait wait just blame the supp it's the supp fault 80%of the time the junglerss 18% and the other 2% is a combined other roles

FCJAAAAGOOOOFeb 10, 20184 votes

Top lanes definitely don't snowball more often - or harder - than botlanes.

JackMcSnipeyzFeb 11, 20184 votes

Botlane also has 2 out of the 5 players unlike top who is just 1.

Ralik098Feb 11, 20182 votes

Bot lane also has the same amount of minions (gold) going into it as the other two lanes.

saltranFeb 11, 20181 votes

No...since Supp gain gold by themselfs with the Supp Items. A botlane will 99% of the times have more gold than top or mid alone.

AirKingNeoFeb 10, 201816 votes

As someone who plays ADC: Supports decide the entirety of the lane right now.

ThefrostyvikingFeb 10, 20188 votes

I for one don't really recall any particular time when they didn't in some way :P

KlydeFrogFeb 10, 20181 votes

Wrong if supp was so important why is it the least liked and least played role

DuskDaUmbreonFeb 10, 20185 votes

Just because it's the least liked doesn't mean it can't be important.

People don't like supporting because it's low damage, and you're not as flashy.

KlydeFrogFeb 10, 20183 votes

No people don't like supp because it's boring and you will get blamed for losing no matter what you do chances are you'll get 0 credit. You have to rely on your team the whole time . Damage has nothing to do with it.

Sp33d Zer0Feb 10, 20183 votes

People don't like support because it's a less obvious form of carrying.

greekvandaLFeb 10, 201814 votes

Yeah because adc is a highskillc..... HAHAHAAHAH role and it's fun with tons of counterplay. -silver 5 btw

PotchikirFeb 10, 20187 votes

thats true adcarries have alot of counter play

SpoofghoulFeb 10, 20186 votes

Tell me pls

They are more tanky then a 100 stacks stoneplate cho gath

They also deal the most damage i mean they outburst assassins with 1 attack

From range

With more cc or mobility then most of their opponents

And they got a peel slave

So where is the counterplay??? kinda curious so please let me know

Sun Wu RyuumokuFeb 10, 20183 votes

They are more tanky then a 100 stacks stoneplate cho gath

thanks janna lulu

ChaddyFantomeFeb 10, 20185 votes

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thanks janna lulu

Janna Lulu are only playing their win conditions by making the overpowered class that much stronger. If ADCs weren't busted atm, Janna and Lulu doing their job wouldn't feel so oppressive.

Sp33d Zer0Feb 11, 20181 votes

If Janna and lulu weren't so good at protecting Crit champions we would see a bunch of lethality again*

ChaddyFantomeFeb 12, 20181 votes

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If Janna and lulu weren't so good at protecting Crit champions we would see a bunch of lethality again*

We can talk about nerfing Lethality when ADCs stop being OP. ATM, even in its broken state it isn't even adequately keeping AD assasins viable.

DisembarkFeb 10, 20189 votes

Haha ur so right dude.

bullshit
bullshit
ok?
bullshit
ur right dude supports should just let u kill their ADC. Their job is to peel for everyone, but when ur dumbass runs into the backline 1v5 to kill the ADC no shit they’re gonna peel you.

Kai GuyFeb 10, 20188 votes

Some 3-4 months ADCs where considered Weak last season.

LauchmelderFeb 10, 201816 votes

By whiny and bad ADCs maybe.

ADCs were weak for a patch or 2 at most, the rest was just idiots repeating "ADC in 2k17 LUL" because they were too damn stupid to kite after not even needing to do that before.

SilentBomberFeb 11, 20181 votes

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By whiny and bad ADCs maybe.

ADCs were weak for a patch or 2 at most, the rest was just idiots repeating "ADC in 2k17 LUL" because they were too damn stupid to kite after not even needing to do that before.

You are right.However,there is no reason for the adc to have the cheapest items and best scaling of the game. :)

YennFeb 10, 201811 votes

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Some 3-4 months ADCs where considered Weak last season.

The majority of it being the pre-season

Kai GuyFeb 10, 20183 votes

Does that not stand true for the game currently?

DisembarkFeb 10, 20188 votes

Ok is it my turn to make this same post tomorrow to get upvotes?

MarshbouyFeb 10, 20182 votes

Yes it is

saltranFeb 11, 20181 votes

I already did it today, I'm not sure if people get the joke or they think I'm serious.

ŻügżwängFeb 10, 20186 votes

This is just objectively wrong...

saltranFeb 10, 20185 votes

That's why they upvote it, this is how circlejerk works.

ŚhunpoFeb 10, 20185 votes

I mean, the bigger issue is that Guinsoo's is a fucking joke of an item balance wise. I don't know whose idea it was to put Sated Devourer's passive on Guinsoo's, but it was an awful idea.

Chaos OpenFeb 10, 20185 votes

ADCs have been useless for a long time, "ADC 2017" was a meme as a result of how useless they are. They rely so heavily on their team, even if they are insanely fed, if their team can't peel then it's all worthless as they get deleted every fight. A lot of other champs are pretty self reliant, but a fed ADC with a bad team is screwed.

ChaddyFantomeFeb 10, 201810 votes

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ADCs have been useless for a long time, "ADC 2017" was a meme as a result of how useless they are. They rely so heavily on their team, even if they are insanely fed, if their team can't peel then it's all worthless as they get deleted every fight. A lot of other champs are pretty self reliant, but a fed ADC with a bad team is screwed.

ADC in 2017 was a meme because ADC mains can't stand a second of actually being in a state where they aren't deciding the game.

Unironic SJWFeb 10, 20184 votes

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ADC in 2017 was a meme because ADC mains can't stand a second of actually being in a state where they aren't deciding the game.

actually its jungle that decides the game, because jungle mains couldn't deal with the fact that a role with global map pressure and an almost uncontested gold stream should have tradeoffs like falling behind if you fail to use your pressure properly, or being less leveled than the solo laners.

NoPaxtFeb 10, 20183 votes

Fix ADCs by capping life steal at 25%.

SasogwaFeb 10, 201810 votes

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Fix ADCs by capping life steal at 25%.

.............. Lifesteal is the least of issues right now, no adc in his right mind at a decent elo even takes more than 2 lifesteal items. The problem is crit ffs, not lifesteal...

ThefrostyvikingFeb 10, 201811 votes

All these ADC disliking people and most don't even know where the problems are coming from, even if someone has a good argument it gets drowned out by the sheer amount of people writing stuff like "OMG 10-15% lifesteal OP" or "OMG marksmen so tanky!" after missing all their skillshots and/or not even managing to gapclose in the first place x)

No wonder riot doesnt really respond to this stuff anymore.

SasogwaFeb 10, 20184 votes

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All these ADC disliking people and most don't even know where the problems are coming from, even if someone has a good argument it gets drowned out by the sheer amount of people writing stuff like "OMG 10-15% lifesteal OP" or "OMG marksmen so tanky!" after missing all their skillshots and not even managing to gapclose in the first place x)

No wonder riot doesnt really respond to this stuff anymore.

Yes it's saddening that the real backed up posts with good argumentation get drowned in the mass of random flawed circlejerk complaints not exposing the real problems, who do exist..

vgamedudeFeb 10, 20182 votes

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All these ADC disliking people and most don't even know where the problems are coming from, even if someone has a good argument it gets drowned out by the sheer amount of people writing stuff like "OMG 10-15% lifesteal OP" or "OMG marksmen so tanky!" after missing all their skillshots and not even managing to gapclose in the first place x)

No wonder riot doesnt really respond to this stuff anymore.

Yeah the skillshots adcs don't even need to hit sans 1 percent of the roster. Legit.

ThefrostyvikingFeb 10, 20182 votes

Please do read again x)

A copy paste of what i wrote :

All these ADC disliking people and most don't even know where the problems are coming from, even if someone has a good argument it gets drowned out by the sheer amount of people writing stuff like "OMG 10-15% lifesteal OP" or "OMG marksmen so tanky!" after missing all their skillshots and not even managing to gapclose in the first place x) No wonder riot doesnt really respond to this stuff anymore.

The part of " people writing stuff like "OMG 10-15% lifesteal OP" or "OMG marksmen so tanky!" after missing all their skillshots and not even managing to gapclose in the first place x)" implies that the people who write stuff similar to what i wrote inside in the quotation marks are the ones to write such things after missing their skillshots and/or not gapclosing on marksmen.

Admittedly i forgot to write the /or part but i did just now.

Please do read more carefully next time.

vgamedudeFeb 11, 20182 votes

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Please do read again x)

A copy paste of what i wrote :

The part of " people writing stuff like "OMG 10-15% lifesteal OP" or "OMG marksmen so tanky!" after missing all their skillshots and not even managing to gapclose in the first place x)" implies that the people who write stuff similar to what i wrote inside in the quotation marks are the ones to write such things after missing their skillshots and/or not gapclosing on marksmen.

Admittedly i forgot to write the /or part but i did just now.

Please do read more carefully next time.

That's what I am saying. I read it right. You're talking trash about people missing skillshot when you're talking about/playing something that usually has none.

Saying it's fine people get screwed when they miss skillshot against a class that doesn't have to.

ThefrostyvikingFeb 11, 20181 votes

But on the other hand,skillshots almost always have much higher range than auto attacks, and some even automatically result in getting hit 2-3 times more if having a CC component.

Fact is, most mages just have a higher effective range than marksmen, so if marksmen do get in range to auto attack and said mage misses their abilities then that mage deserves to die.

If a melee walks in and messes their gapcloser up they also can't complain, their melee combo would most likely bone the marksmen pretty hard so it's fairly fair that they get boned if they fail to do it properly.

I mainly play midlane/ADC, i know how both roles work :/

But admittedly there are marksmen with problematic designs, particularly those who were designed to full a secondary role in addition to marksmen, like Vayne,twitch,trist and Ezreal.

Their "extra" components often make them go outa control because they have access to tools that a marksmen ......actually should not have most of the time.

vgamedudeFeb 11, 20181 votes

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But on the other hand,skillshots almost always have much higher range than auto attacks, and some even automatically result in getting hit 2-3 times more if having a CC component.

Fact is, most mages just have a higher effective range than marksmen, so if marksmen do get in range to auto attack and said mage misses their abilities then that mage deserves to die.

If a melee walks in and messes their gapcloser up they also can't complain, their melee combo would most likely bone the marksmen pretty hard so it's fairly fair that they get boned if they fail to do it properly.

I mainly play midlane/ADC, i know how both roles work :/

But admittedly there are marksmen with problematic designs, particularly those who were designed to full a secondary role in addition to marksmen, like Vayne,twitch,trist and Ezreal.

Their "extra" components often make them go outa control because they have access to tools that a marksmen ......actually should not have most of the time.

Someone like Ryze doesn't get much benefit from being skill shot based, seemingly cassio doesn't either but I don't play her.

You also have to consider that skill shots are a huge negative also because they are easily blocked and cant target things behind other things like autos can, and aren't guaranteed to land. I don't see where the trade offs for skillshots vs autos is worth it, it seems to me like they should be far more rewarding in comparison.

ThefrostyvikingFeb 11, 20181 votes

Don't mention Ryze, i don't think any of his kits have ever been good, when he is bad he is utter garbage but when he is good he is terrifying and insanely hard to deal with.

Cassio is odd though, she is supposed to be this huge DPS mage with great scaling but like with old seju a massive portion of her powerbudget is dropped into her ulti which serves to cripple her a bit, either she is strong and immediately becomes OP or she barely works and you need a ton of games to get good at her......but even then she might not work.

Skillshots in general are AOE as in capable of affecting multiple targets, and if they aren't then the champ tends to have things that more than make up for that flaw more often than not.

Xerath, brand, morg etc.

The issue though, is that if you make skillshots with all their range too rewarding then poke teams takeover instantly, why fight at all when you can wreck 1/3rd+ of enemy champs health from a single spell from a screen away on a 5 seconds cooldown?

That or you get something like veigar and his AP ratios....