Some mundo love.

sirwaterfles·Aug 15, 2016·2 votes·733 views

The good doctor has been struggling since his post preseason nerfs. Where tanks like zac, sej ,naut, ... stay relevant in tfs thanks to their disruption and juggernauts like darius thanks to their cleanup potential does mundo just gets to sit there and take it. So now he has a tf weakness lets give him a strengt. Lets make him THE splitpushing tank that goes where it pleases like him fantasy invisions. Lets make his e work on towers again. Where shen just waits at the enemy tower for his team to start fighting so he can ult in and make it a 5v4, mundo tries to poke his opponent out of lane with good cleavers after which he will do significant damage to the tower if the enemy team dont come to stop him.

So far my vision to make mundo viable again and still keep his weakness and not driving out other picks that do the same thing. Thoughts?

30 Comments

weeaboomerAug 15, 20164 votes

According to Champion.gg mundo mains have a 59%+ win rate. Looking through mundo masters in Na.op.gg, they all seem to be doing fine.

Git Gud?

sirwaterflesAug 15, 20161 votes

According to op.gg mundo has a winrate between 45.5 and 47.5 for quite a few patches now on all lvls of play and a really low playrate. Why would you play mundo atm? Everything he does someone else does it better. Giving him his turrent damage back wont make him op all of a sudden but would give him a clear reason to be picked.

RalanrAug 15, 20161 votes

I remember when he could damage turrets.

I don't want to remember that.

sirwaterflesAug 15, 20161 votes

That was at a time where his e damage was higher, towers were weaker, his masteries and build was stonger and his jugnle clear was better so he could get more damage sooner in to the game so towers had even less resistances. If it stil seems like to strong just make it that the extra damage doesnt fully work vs turrents. Just having that aa reset will already help him along a bit but right numbers need to be up for testing ofcourse.

RalanrAug 15, 20162 votes

Fair enough. If it can be balanced then it can work out.

Sorry, I just really don't like fighting Mundo in top.

sirwaterflesAug 15, 20161 votes

I just want to have more safeplay towerhuggers earlygame champs to play for when riven becomes mainstream again. I should make a buff cho post aswel :p

RalanrAug 15, 20161 votes

This is why I play Sion.

sirwaterflesAug 15, 20161 votes

Talking to a fellow main here :D its just nice to have some viriaty once in a while. Got any tips for him? Cause my winrate dropped to only 60 pocent on him after they nerfed iceborn and tp and they buffed drags in midseason so maybe i should rethink my build a bit more.

RalanrAug 15, 20161 votes

What do you normally build?

sirwaterflesAug 15, 20161 votes

corruption potion. Then bamis, icecroud, mailvest, mrcloak depending on matchup and gold on fback, then boots and other items of the list depending on the matchup but mr cloak only into spectral unless i really need heavy mr to survive. then boots upgrade mostly swiftnes but can take ninjas or mercs then the other items on the list . then buil visage ,spelshield or locket depending on team . This is my core for the rest i can build thormail, randuins, the speeduparmorhp item, second mr item or warmorgs for 5th and 6th item.

edit : i also play him a lot in the jugnle where i just go cinder and then the rest of this build

RalanrAug 15, 20161 votes

I usually rush an item first rather than getting the components for different items.

I tend to rush sunfire in AD match ups and visage in AP match ups. I still grab IBG because I like having a good amount of CDR.

sirwaterflesAug 15, 20161 votes

I can try that. I often only look at the stats and forget to upgrade for the passive.

weeaboomerAug 15, 20161 votes

Mundo gets the full hp refund for his Q if you can CS. I think thats enough.

sirwaterflesAug 16, 20161 votes

Y laningphase is not the problem. Its that you are pretty useless and get outshined by tons of other champs afterwards. sej, sion, voli, malp, mao,... all tf better with better damage and/or disruption. Main thing about mundo is that he can survive a while when he gets caugth thanks to ult heal+speedup and tenacity on his w. If now mundo could actually do meaningful damage to towers he would be a decent splitpusher. This would give him a reason to be picked since the only other tank splitpushers are nassus and shen and they both have significantly diferrent playstyles.

RalanrAug 15, 20163 votes

Just gonna drop by and say that Mundo isn't a tank. He's a juggernaut.

ParoeAug 15, 20161 votes

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Just gonna drop by and say that Mundo isn't a tank. He's a juggernaut.

Mundo doesnt have AD scalings.

Mundo is an AP bruiser who benefits from building health. that being said cinderhulk mundo top with titanic hydra is incredibly powerful.

RalanrAug 15, 20163 votes

Why does he need AD scalings to be a juggernaut? A juggernaut is a tanky damage dealer with little to no CC and is weak to kiting.

That is basically what Mundo is.

ErockandrollAug 15, 20161 votes

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Mundo doesnt have AD scalings.

Mundo is an AP bruiser who benefits from building health. that being said cinderhulk mundo top with titanic hydra is incredibly powerful.

It doesn't matter what he scales off of. (Given that Mord was part of the Juggernaut update.)

Mundo is a Juggernaut, in the sense that he's Has good damage, good defenses, and good sustain, pretty much at the cost of Mobility and Hard CC.

XxxLumberJackxxXAug 15, 20161 votes

He gets free ad from e and an as reset. Technically that's attack Speed scaling

sirwaterflesAug 15, 20161 votes

Mundo isnt a classic tank but also isnt a real juggernaut. His damage and treat for getting close to him are not on the lvls of other juggernauts like darius,nassus or garen. With the current lifesteal around he can be almost ignored unlike the rest of them.

RalanrAug 15, 20161 votes

That doesn't make him any less of a juggernaut, that just makes him weak currently. He's more of a sustained damage dealer instead of a bursty one imo.

sirwaterflesAug 15, 20161 votes

It kind of does. If he isnt doing his job as a juggernaut then he isnt really a juggernaut. Like if tank ekko is crowding out all other builds he is more of a tank then an assassin.

RalanrAug 15, 20161 votes

Yet if Amumu and Zac go full AP they are still considered tanks and not AP burst assassins/bruisers.

See the problem there? Mundo is a juggernaut who just isn't strong at the moment. It doesn't stop him from being a juggernaut, it just makes him an unviable juggernaut.

sirwaterflesAug 15, 20161 votes

well they are considerd ap assassins/ bruisers if they go full ap just like full ap naut.

RalanrAug 15, 20161 votes

Based on my experience on these forums: no. No they are not. They are doomed to be seen as tanks regardless of build.

Because people are lazy.

sirwaterflesAug 15, 20161 votes

Y in the end it doesnt really matter. Main reason i used tank over juggernaut is that i didnt want the 'but nassus is the splitpusher juggernaught' argument because mundo plays a lot different.

RalanrAug 15, 20161 votes

I can understand that. Though at least Mundo can jungle, I haven't seen Nasus jungle in a long time.

Mundo is like a more team centric split pusher when he jungles.

zlumpyAug 15, 20161 votes

Tank is more of a playstyle. They are good at disrupting enemies and protecting allies. The cleaver toss isn't as good for stopping someone from killing an ally as something like Leona Q or Zac with multiple knockups.

Mundo is a more of a juggernaut with kinda tanky stuff. When a fight breaks out most of the he is wading into the enemy with his giant meatwall Hp pool to try and kill someone. He is very easy to ignore and focus other enemy champs.

His ult to can be used for tanky situations but is more of a get in, stay alive, do dmg/get kill, and get out kinda focus.

He can be used to tank but that doesn't make his primary job tank if that makes sense.

flyingbaklavaAug 15, 20161 votes

I think Mundo's biggest weakness now is that he can no longer heal tank in teamfights thanks to Executioner's calling. 800 gold to nullify his ultimate is pretty brutal. Other tanks have ways to get into the backline, but Mundo can only heal tank his way there, and that really isn't a good option anymore. As long as that item exists, Mundo will be inferior...

sirwaterflesAug 15, 20161 votes

Y thats why i would make him more of a splitpusher. Toplaners often dont have grevious wounds to cancel out it ulti and he can waste a lot of time if the enemy team comes to shut you down.