Please get Irelia out of mid lane

Yenn·Jun 6, 2018·12 votes·5,471 views

Being gap closed on from 1300 range and instantly losing 80% of your health as she parries your burst is not remotely fun for literally anyone even attempting to play an AP carry against her.

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KhristophorosJun 6, 201813 votes

She just needs nerfs in general.

LetMeCarry1983Jun 6, 201811 votes

There's no rule saying that Irelia should only be played top. Nautilus used to be a jungler before he became a support.

Chembaron YamadaJun 6, 20186 votes

There are no rules, but they are actively removing champs from certain lanes if it is unhealthy for the game.

Hence why they forced Lulu out of top lane, for example. And it seems that Irelia might be a problem right now and could use some nerfs.

D357R0Y3RJun 6, 20182 votes

Then why did they not force singed or jayce out of toplane?

The answer is that hardcountering is fine, but Lulu just broke the game in general when she was played top lane

Troll for TrumpJun 6, 20182 votes

Because they were intended to go top. The problem is when a new unintended playstyle for a champ arises and then breaks the game,as you said.

D357R0Y3RJun 6, 20182 votes

then the same logic applies to irelia

read her Q/A she was intended to go both mid and top which is why they gave her so many high AP ratios

Troll for TrumpJun 7, 20182 votes

Then I don't see a problem with her being played mid. If she's too strong, then maybe nerfs are in order, but, based on that, I don't think she needs to be removed from mid altogether.

rtbf11791216Jun 6, 20181 votes

ahhhh singed and jayce are top laners hurr durr

IcyPepperJun 9, 20181 votes

I don't think Irelia should be nerfed to remove her from the mid lane, but rather nerfed appropriately and probably get kicked out of midlane as a result. Her problems are not a result of being in midlane, but that is rather a symptom of it.

Although I guess you could argue the same thing for Lulu, but I think her's was a more extreme case of being an absolutely broken kit in a non-support role while Irelia is going to do her melee carry thing in either lane.

Giga BaboonJun 6, 20187 votes

Sorry Meddler can't walk and chew gum at the same time, you'll need to wait till the patch after the one they raise elise's MS by 5.

Quil EvrythingJun 6, 20184 votes

well.. stop playing AP carries mid then. Play someone with cc.

NyarlathοtepJun 6, 20184 votes

The exaggeration is burning my eyes.

Gotta love people confusing 625 with 1300.
And it shouldnt come at a surprise that she goes mid she prefers laning against squishy targets.

Perma CCJun 6, 20183 votes

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The exaggeration is burning my eyes.

Gotta love people confusing 625 with 1300.
And it shouldnt come at a surprise that she goes mid she prefers laning against squishy targets.

Accept she jumps to a minion at 625 range and then jumps to another minion 625 units away from that one all in rapid succession for a total of about 1250... so not an exhageration

NyarlathοtepJun 6, 20186 votes

True but you know that the minion is low on hp thus you know that she can chain dash and as such you can prepare for her assault. Hell you can even use it to your advantage since you know where she will dash.

Troll for TrumpJun 6, 20182 votes

She chooses whether or not to dash, meaning you have to attack in response to that.

If you go aggro, since most mages have telegraphed abilities, she just dashes away.

This is also true for a lot of top lane matchups, and this has been an annoying part about irelia even pre-rework.

The spam-targeted dash thing is not fun to play against. Akali and Diana share this.

NyarlathοtepJun 6, 20181 votes

Indeed she chooses whether to dash or not. But nevertheless you have to be prepared whenever there is a minion low on hp. Also this is part of her kit is the same as pre rework so yeah it had to be retained.

eaglei3Jun 6, 20182 votes

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Indeed she chooses whether to dash or not. But nevertheless you have to be prepared whenever there is a minion low on hp. Also this is part of her kit is the same as pre rework so yeah it had to be retained.

IMO, one of the areas League has always suffered in with regards to mobility is the fact it continues through roots and stuns. So with Irelia for example, I hit her with a root, yet she already was in Q movement towards me means she is on top of me. That is bad for a squishy mage.

These dash champions wouldn't be so aggravating if dashes would be stopped upon the connecting of roots or stuns.

So you can be prepared, but your effectiveness of your skill is greatly reduced.

NyarlathοtepJun 6, 20181 votes

100% agree.

Troll for TrumpJun 7, 20181 votes

I just personally feel like you have to put in so much effort to play around Irelia and she comparatively takes much less effort to play around you. You see that with champs like Riven, Yas, or Fiora, where it seems like their champ is just so much better than yours purely because of their kit.

Like, I know what I need to do to play around those champs (as Darius, for example), but I am physically unable to because of immobility, telegraphing, etc.

NyarlathοtepJun 7, 2018

Well you are right about that. But in my opinion irelia is much more fair to play against compared to riven or yasuo. She has to actively succeed with her q in order to get a refund ( i mean she has to q on a low hp minion unlike the rest), she has no way to escape again unlike the rest. So in my opinion she is a outplaying champ that's done right.

Troll for TrumpJun 7, 20181 votes

She's more fair than riven (and possibly yas, though I personally put them at the same lvl).

But saying "She's more fair than Yas or Riven" doesn't stop her from being unfair to play against, if you catch my drift.

NyarlathοtepJun 7, 2018

Well, there will always be champs that feel unfair to play against. Besides there is nothing you can nerf to her currently. Number wise she is fine. Her passive needs to be stacked and has a small scaling. Her q has shitty base damage but has a decent total ad ratio. The healing scales pretty meh (only late game you can see it) Her w roots her and well its her only defensive tool in her kit. (actually they could lower the width of this skill by a small amount since you cant really dodge it) Her e has good base damage but its maxed last (most of the times) since the stun is static at 0.75. Its also pretty easy to evade as long as your character is not a tank. And her ulti disarms only if you come in touch with the wall.

Like what the fk would want to nerf to her? Her stun?

Troll for TrumpJun 7, 20181 votes

A nerf anywhere helps champs everywhere when the champ's kit as a whole is annoying.

The same applies with Riven/Yas and co. Most people who hate those champs hate their entire kit, so they'd be fine with any nerf.

Nerf base numbers, nerf healing on minions, add soft-lock to dash chaining, there's a lot.

NyarlathοtepJun 8, 2018

Both riven and yasuo have no cd on all of their kit and no resources whatsoever. While irelia has low cds in late game and is gated by mana.

Nerf base damage? What? She already has low base damage (well minus her e but its hard to land). Nerf healing on minions? Its 12%-20% of ad. Thats pretty much nothing until late. Soft lock on dash chaining? WTF IS EVEN THIS? She is supposed to be mobile.

Do you want to nerf her or gut her?

Troll for TrumpJun 9, 20181 votes

People hate their entire kit.

I didn't say nerf base damage, I said nerf base stats. Maybe even with compensation scaling buffs. Pulls back her early power for a bit. Nerfing base dmg and making it scale higher/stay the same also works.

Soft lock on dash chaining? WTF IS EVEN THIS? She is supposed to be mobile.

Yeah, and if you notice mobile champs aren't exactly fun for top laners to deal with. Yasuo Riven Irelia Camille

NyarlathοtepJun 9, 2018

But her base stats are low enough. Well minus her armour and aa range, but armour was the only buff that she ever got since her rework.

I would argue that mobile champs arent fun to play against generally speaking. But irelia's mobility is done right.

BLACK REALM GODJun 9, 20181 votes

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Accept she jumps to a minion at 625 range and then jumps to another minion 625 units away from that one all in rapid succession for a total of about 1250... so not an exhageration

Yasuo

YennJun 9, 20182 votes

In lane against this zero counterplay bullshit once again. Very fun.

YennJun 9, 20182 votes

Update: I literally cannot enter lane. I lose 80% of my health and have to move away to retaliate, because she's in my hit box and my skill shots. She also dived me from 100% at level 9, and killed me while exhausted under the turret.

when yourJun 6, 20181 votes

some people don't understand that there are specific lanes now for specific roles. you can't have a janna go top or a karma go jungle or a syndra go adc. this bs of a champ needs to be nerfed because no matter what happens, as soon as this %%%%%%%%%% gets one item, everyone is done for and it is so depressing.