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If you're going to shit on Shacos damage, can you give him a way to survive?

Touch My Box·Dec 22, 2016·4 votes·1,014 views

Pre-nerf he could jump in, assassinate the carry and then ult to sort of delay his death, possibly even fight longer.

Post nerf his combo no longer 100-0s the target, so he has to sit in the middle of the enemy team, with 0 escape, 0 defensives and 0 AoE.

LeBlanc can jump out by reactivating distort. Zed can jump back out to a shadow left behind. Fizz can trickster on a 4 sec cooldown and doesn't it to get in. Talon can jump over a wall depending on the area, or use his ult to get out. Katarina gets Shunpo reset. Khazix gets a reset Kassadin has Riftwalk on a low cooldown. Akali has her dome, however sucky it is.

Shaco has to use his decieve to get IN to the fight, and it makes up a huge chunk of his damage, so without it he isn't killing anything.

Once he deceives in and fights, he has no way of getting out of the fight, unlike every other assassin except Rengar, who has tools like cc immunity and heals, not to mention AoE damage.

"uuuuh he has stealth obviously 0 counterplay" EDIT: not

As a side note, his combo can 100-0 an ADC? NAME A CHAMP WHO CANT 100-0 AN ADC.

Every single fucking champion can destroy a champ who builds 6 damage items like every ADC does, the only difference is Shaco is forced into building 6 damage items to do it. If the enemy adc gets a single auto attack off, they will heal enough to live through his combo.

I really hope whoever decided to nerf him quits their job, or alternatively decides to install the game they are in charge of balancing, because they have no idea how the game currently works.

So sick of Riot treating invisibility like some super huge incredible advantage when its no stronger than any other form of gapclose.

You're either purposely trying to keep Shaco down because youre literal trash at league, or just really fucking bad at maths.

EDIT: I am pointing out his damage is mediocre at best, but the main point of the post is to question why every other assassin gets a retreat mechanism except Shaco.

33 Comments

DracocrashDec 22, 20164 votes

Oh noo my freelo main got nerfed, gona whine xD. Also I think tyler1 deserved not to be banned. -you

Touch My BoxDec 22, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=NoganksOnlyFarm ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A1PEX1Ka,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-12-22T11:32:44.991+0000)

Oh noo my freelo main got nerfed, gona whine xD. -you

I can show you mathmatically how ANY item in the game that gives magic resist will let you live through him burst, effectively making him useles because he has no other ability.

He can't just wander off and clear waves because he has 0 waveclear in his kit.

He is one of the few champs with 0 stats in his kit.

Craft ZeppelinDec 22, 20163 votes

BS on top of BS on top of BS. PIled on cowpats

Shaco thrives only in the early game mark where people have only around 2 items. If you really think he would stall the game to buy those trivial items you're so done boy.

Touch My BoxDec 22, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Craft Zeppelin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A1PEX1Ka,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-12-22T11:58:38.183+0000)

BS on top of BS on top of BS. PIled on cowpats

Shaco thrives only in the early game mark where people have only around 2 items. If you really think he would stall the game to buy those trivial items you're so done boy.

Thts the problem. He is good for a few minutes in the mid game, then fucking garbage because he can't kill anything and has no defensive skills.

zarxus1234Dec 22, 20161 votes

that is a blatant lie. Have you ever played shaco? Or do you just say what the forums say. Shaco thrives in the mid game dude.

Touch My BoxDec 22, 20161 votes

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that is a blatant lie. Have you ever played shaco? Or do you just say what the forums say. Shaco thrives in the mid game dude.

Thats what I said.. He is good in the midgame and then falls off pathetically.

Craft ZeppelinDec 22, 20162 votes

https://champion.gg/champion/Shaco/Jungle

Generally the community began to know that it was BS when they saw his statistics. Well at least you have a full VGA waiting.

Touch My BoxDec 22, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Craft Zeppelin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A1PEX1Ka,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-12-22T11:32:25.706+0000)

https://champion.gg/champion/Shaco/Jungle

Generally the community began to know that it was BS when they saw his statistics. Well at least you have a full VGA waiting.

Its not that at all, no one counterbuilds against him and wonders why they die.

Craft ZeppelinDec 22, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Its Not Shacko,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A1PEX1Ka,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-12-22T11:35:41.123+0000)

Its not that at all, no one counterbuilds against him and wonders why they die.

So. Tell us how to counter a hybrid assassin that wont be detected on pinkwards.

Silly NeekoDec 22, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Craft Zeppelin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A1PEX1Ka,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-22T11:43:09.682+0000)

So. Tell us how to counter a hybrid assassin that wont be detected on pinkwards.

Dont use pink wards. Pink wards are removed from the game. If you use them you are hacking. The new red wards though, you could use those..... They just dont help with shaco there except for to keep his boxes from fearing you, nullifying his only form of CC and his major trickery. His stealth is only .5 seconds. GA is good. ZZrot is good. Locket of Solari is good. You know. The basics.

Craft ZeppelinDec 22, 20161 votes

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Dont use pink wards. Pink wards are removed from the game. If you use them you are hacking. The new red wards though, you could use those..... They just dont help with shaco there except for to keep his boxes from fearing you, nullifying his only form of CC and his major trickery. His stealth is only .5 seconds. GA is good. ZZrot is good. Locket of Solari is good. You know. The basics.

OK? so you are telling me that I should buy items to counter shaco around the time shaco has already done his job, and to top it all the only counter for him was removed from this game.

Is this some sort of joke. It is not FUNNY.

Silly NeekoDec 22, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Craft Zeppelin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A1PEX1Ka,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-22T11:53:44.361+0000)

OK? so you are telling me that I should buy items to counter shaco around the time shaco has already done his job, and to top it all the only counter for him was removed from this game.

Is this some sort of joke. It is not FUNNY.

Actually yes, part of it was a joke. Im sure you can figure out which part i was clowning around with.

Control wards nullify an entire ability of Shaco. Previously they could only see their own demise.

And please, his stealth is like, .5 seconds. Are you saying you have the reflexes to put down a "pink ward" in .5 seconds and have it worth it? Ill let you just ponder that.....

I found it funny, perhaps you need to put your fingers in the sides of your mouth and pull up. Do this once or twice a day and youll feel better.

Touch My BoxDec 22, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Craft Zeppelin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A1PEX1Ka,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-22T11:43:09.682+0000)

So. Tell us how to counter a hybrid assassin that wont be detected on pinkwards.

item 3146 item 3100 item 3089 item 3020 item 3135 item 1402 was the build getting nerfed.

Hybrid assassin? You aspie.

item 3146 does magic damage. 2 shiv does magic damage item 1402 does magic damage item 3100 does damage damage

His W Jack in the box? If your team is autistic enough to have NOT cleaved its piddly health pool out also does magic damage.

His ult explosion? Oh look, magic damage.

Literally the only part of his "hybrid burst" is the 500 damage amplified deceive.

Out of his 2250 total burst

515 comes from Decieve and backstab, which is his only form of escape, doesnt get reset on kill/assist like every other fucking assassin.

120 comes from Runic Echoes (AP Riven can build this)

450 comes from Gunblade (AP Riven can build this)

387 comes from Lichbane (AP riven can also build this, and itll hit harder on AP Riven)

All up thats 1462 damage that he has dealt to your asshat adc who didnt build hexdrinker, meaning his 2 shiv poison with lead 778 damage INCLUDING the 8% of missing health (1462). Because magic resist exists it will actually do much much less.

It totals 2250 damage without resistances, which is barely enough to kill a target.

Even if you dont build any magic resist, marksmen will always have at least 30, which is 25% reduction.

Oh look, his burst is down to 1500.

This is completely discounting the 50000000 damage shields that nearly every support gives, or the shields that Bloodthirster gives, or the shield that Hexdrinker gives.

His combo does a lot of damage, I won't say it doesn't. The problem is he has no way of getting away once he has jumped into the fight, unlike every other assassin in the game. He has no waveclear, or any unique element outside his ability to delete a single target. They've nerfed him to not be able to kill a target, and therefore he brings nothing to the team anymore.

Silly NeekoDec 22, 20161 votes

Two words to break apart this entire thing here.

Attack Scaling.

He is hybrid like corki because he can build one stat and do the other. Not saying jinx is hybrid, or cait. Shaco has Q and E and R scaling from AD along with auto attacks. E does magic damage. You say Q does Attack damage based on AP scaling as well? Well then, you got yourself a hybrid champ there.

Oh and btw, he easily can have wave clear. Get a Hydra. Heil Hydra.

Touch My BoxDec 22, 20161 votes

{quoted}

Two words to break apart this entire thing here.

Attack Scaling.

He is hybrid like corki because he can build one stat and do the other. Not saying jinx is hybrid, or cait. Shaco has Q and E and R scaling from AD along with auto attacks. E does magic damage. You say Q does Attack damage based on AP scaling as well? Well then, you got yourself a hybrid champ there.

Oh and btw, he easily can have wave clear. Get a Hydra. Heil Hydra.

Right, he has to dump 1200 into an item that he has to sell late game because it doesn't give him enough damage.

They said AP shaco was the problem, they nerfed his AP scalings.

Touch My BoxDec 22, 20161 votes

{quoted}

Two words to break apart this entire thing here.

Attack Scaling.

He is hybrid like corki because he can build one stat and do the other. Not saying jinx is hybrid, or cait. Shaco has Q and E and R scaling from AD along with auto attacks. E does magic damage. You say Q does Attack damage based on AP scaling as well? Well then, you got yourself a hybrid champ there.

Oh and btw, he easily can have wave clear. Get a Hydra. Heil Hydra.

And yeah cool, I build flat AP and I get a chunk of physical damage. Fucking brilliant, my void staff is now suddenly less effective.

A Basic IslandDec 22, 20162 votes

unfortunately, boards just hates champions that aren't the norm and have outplay potential.

no matter how much everyone complains about a stagnant meta, that's all people want due to familiarity

Silly NeekoDec 22, 20161 votes

Adc builds 5 damage items, one of them may be a cleanse item as well.... But then the 6th is normally a tanky item, like GA. Personally i dont have any other helpful comment after reading your story here seeing as its late and my brain isnt working so well..... So ill just leave you with that.

S0kaXDec 22, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Its Not Shacko,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A1PEX1Ka,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-12-22T11:28:40.473+0000)

'uuuuh he has stealth obviously 0 counterplay'

Wot

[{quoted}](name=Its Not Shacko,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A1PEX1Ka,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-12-22T11:28:40.473+0000)

'uuuuh he has stealth obviously 0 counterplay'

IIRC Shaco cannot be detected by control ward

Craft ZeppelinDec 22, 20161 votes

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Wot

IIRC Shaco cannot be detected by control ward

Shaco main who can't even tell what his kit does. He should have stayed in the funhouse where he belongs

Touch My BoxDec 22, 20161 votes

{quoted}

Wot

IIRC Shaco cannot be detected by control ward

Oracle lens.

Touch My BoxDec 22, 20161 votes

If you aren't a shit%%%% player, the area you are team fighting in will be warded, so you know when he enters stealth. Hell, even if its not you can see it through fog of war.

You know you're the target so you play defensively, or your support uses any of their shielding skills or red trinket.

You can now see where he is and can move away, while your support gets to cc him.

If you manage to ignore all of that and still get backstabber, your hexdrinler buys enough time for your support to react.

Touch My BoxDec 22, 20161 votes

id fucking to pay 75 gold to completely remove one of Lee Sin's skills, like every other champ can do to remove Shaco's.

yoshi2790Dec 22, 20161 votes

Ivern Braum Can't 100 - 0 Marksmen.

Touch My BoxDec 22, 20162 votes

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Can't 100 - 0 Marksmen.

I'd bet that if you built 6 damage items on them you probably could.

yoshi2790Dec 22, 20161 votes

I'd bet that if you built 6 damage items on them you probably could.

Then they're marksmen themselves.

Touch My BoxDec 22, 20161 votes

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Then they're marksmen themselves.

Shaco isn't a marksman. He is an assassin. He gets punished for building crutch damage items.

LilahDec 22, 20161 votes

he already has an iframe and a stealth... lol

Touch My BoxDec 22, 20161 votes

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he already has an iframe and a stealth... lol

Stealth is used to get in.

iframe delays his death by 0.5 seconds.

LilahDec 22, 20161 votes

Maybe if you don't play him correctly or use to it to dodge spells

Touch My BoxDec 22, 20161 votes

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Maybe if you don't play him correctly or use to it to dodge spells

You can dodge a few spells with it, and then they cleave you both down.

Pommel KnightDec 22, 20161 votes

Again, people really need to learn that fizz can't e every for sec for more than a year now. It's 6 seconds now, at max rank with 45% cdr. Also its not an escape if you want a kill, it's one of your main sources of dmg and only clear in game.

Touch My BoxDec 22, 20161 votes

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Again, people really need to learn that fizz can't e every for sec for more than a year now. It's 6 seconds now, at max rank with 45% cdr. Also its not an escape if you want a kill, it's one of your main sources of dmg and only clear in game.

At least he has the option. If Shaco wants to enter the fight, he has to use his only 'escape', which has a huge cooldown.

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