Cassiopeia Changes 12/9/2014

Vanjie··15 votes·1,558 views

At this point Riot is border lining incompetent in terms of reworking Cassiopeia. No one likes the passive. Can they not get this through their thick skulls? Aspect of the Serpent is not working and does nothing to help the champion. The community has given them so many ideas and here they are trying to make something work for a champion that it doesn't work for. Drop the useless passive and give her something that works for the champion. Stop being stubborn and listen to the community.

Cassiopeia has moves that can be easily dodged which makes the passive useless. It does not truly capture the essence of the champion. Stop wasting time with this horrible idea and admit you made a mistake and fix it.

It seems like Riot is purposefully trying to make this champion useless and unplayable.

18 Comments

Grand Eleven6 votes

It's been known for awhile (weeks) that this change was going live and to be honest I'm a little surprised it was tuned back on the PBE. At this point look for the silver lining: Once live we can experience that changes first hand and make constructive feedback and hopefully push the cycle forward.

I look forward to the next round of debate, in a weird way this represents a milestone of maybe getting some fresh ideas injected (we've been staring at this poison via E debuff tweak for a month now?)

Fluppets2 votes

'm a little surprised it was tuned back on the PBE.

I am not surprised at all, it is a buff to her late-game damage which is the *only part about the rework that was working. She was/is weak because all the other aspects of her are not working... so they buffed her late-game damage (which was already really *big) through the roof.

You WILL see QQ posts about Cassiopeia's late-game damage, it's gonna be insane. Is it a fair trade-off? No.

I feel more coming up, but im patching up now and im going play her first.

LongFur Fox4 votes

They gave the reason that the current passive might feel bad due to cassi being to weak early game. There have also been rumors that there is going to be extensive passive changing during the next few patches... just wait and see what will happen before you jump the bandwagon and begin flaming

BigDaddySenpaiii3 votes

I'm not sure why (very minor) buffs have to accompany nerfs on such a weak champion.

Kojiro Sasaki3 votes

I am still enraged, and wish they would just give me Cass back.

Saevum1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kojiro Sasaki,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A08ERgEd,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2014-12-10T05:43:45.879+0000) I am still enraged, and wish they would just give me Cass back.

Or a refund if they still gonna push this 'rework'.

Moonshade3 votes

easy-ish solution, stop playing her and hope to god that when they see her play rate go under 1000/month they realize that she was made anti-fun from her "rework"

Feathermane2 votes

Same power level, extra layer of boring and a degraded skin. Why is this rework so awesome? Because it was so utterly unwanted and unnecessary.

Tiowthy1 votes

compared to live, i'd say the changes could be good for her... but it would've been helpful if killing minions could've still been an option for stacking

Fluppets2 votes

the timer on the passive now, is basically Stashu giving up on interesting stack mechanics and just saying "you'll get the stacks no matter what, idc, just survive until somebody else fixes this Champion,* screw you guys, im outta here*."

MattAkhavan1 votes

The champion isn't useless or unplayable. the champion is fine, your problem is the approach they took to get her here.

Fluppets2 votes

Every champion can be useful or playable if you throw enough numbers at her, that says nothing about the satisfaction of the gameplay or it's state of balance.

MattAkhavan1 votes

i read the thread as attacking her playability and state of balance not her game-play satisfaction. I know that people are unhappy with her game play satisfaction but If the reworked cass was released as a new champion with a new name and new model no one would criticize her "usefulness" or ability to be played. Sorry if i misunderstood the post.

Moonshade3 votes

The champion isn't useless or unplayable. the champion is fine, your problem is the approach they took to get her here.

The reason everyone is so enraged is that they took away a part of her playstyle with the rework. Cass in lane was a bully because of the damage she could pump out from a safe range with her poisons like Ziggs and his bombs, and Xerath with his mage blasts. The key difference being that she could also use these poisons with E to do insane DPS on a single target, essentially allowing her to chew through tanks easier than most mages in a fashion similar to an ADC. These two playstyles in one champion is what made Cass fun and unique, the long ranged harass and the closer fang shredding. However Stachu's rework removed that harassment capability since 80-90% of her damage is loaded onto her E now, even her poison spells which are meant to serve as a zoning/harass tool in lane do next to no damage unless she Es the target first which puts her in a vulnerable position due to her lack of mobility, and Es shorter range.

The Cass rework stripped her of one of the key aspects of her play style, the poison harass that could chunk targets down until it was safe enough for you to go in and E to death before the enemy burst you first. Now its a build stacks and items until you have crazy enough damage that you can go in and E a target to death before they burst you kind of play style. The key difference being when Cass can do these things, old kit she could do it from level 3-4 to assert her dominance in lane and either get kills or get ahead in lane so she can do well mid-late. Now she can't do that until late mid game- late game when she has her passive fully stacked and a few items to bloat it out

MattAkhavan2 votes

I understand where you are coming from and why people are enraged. But i wasnt posting saying that she was "fun" to play or better than the old cass. Cass is still strong and still does a ton of damage. I think the fact still stands that if the same kit was put on a new champion with a different model and name no one would say she is unplayable or useless. Its not the kit thats bad its the way she was reworked everyone is unhappy about. This thread isnt about being mad that she wasnt made more fun or like she used to be but its about attacking her usefullnes and playability

Kaisha1 votes

Haven't you learned by now? Riot does not care what we think, they only play lip service when their contract requires them to. They say whatever they think we want to hear, then go and do what they were gonna do regardless of what is said. Until there is enough complaints to affect their bottom line, they will not even bother to read what's been written.

As you said, everyone's complained about Aspect of the Serpent. And yet its still there. And they're still saying non-sense like, 'we need better communication' and 'were still see her as being a poison mage' ect...

Scarborough Fair1 votes

Even the stacking mechanic they put is extremely flawed and they can't even fix that I'm honestly blaming Stashu at this point, he is being terrible

Moonshade1 votes

I somewhat agree, she is playable (marginally, like Urgot) but the reason for the upset is it is as you said, the kit should be put on a new champion since this no longer feels like the Cassiopeia we know and love. I had a pair of friends who exploited Cassiopeia's playstyle to its fullest pre-rework in a Cass-Mundo bot lane comp (we always had either Vayne or Quinn top to compensate). Their harass was ungoddly in that they got first blood EVERY game & there was not a game where they didn't push to the inhib towers pre-20, since if they hid behind minions to block cleavers they were more susceptible to getting hit by poisons due to minion blocking, and if they didn't they would get cleavered and then poison harassed due to the slow. That comp is now impossible since the only harass would be Mundo due to how minor Cass's non-E damage is

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