Jungle xp.

The thigh guy·Feb 1, 2019·5 votes·2,671 views

Geeeeee I love being LEVEL FUCKING SIX, while the enemy top laner is LEVEL FUCKING NINE!

29 Comments

The EcdysiastFeb 1, 20192 votes

Wow it's almost like they don't want you abandoning your team for 12-20 minutes.

Bears Dont CareFeb 1, 20194 votes

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Wow it's almost like they don't want you abandoning your team for 12-20 minutes.

That...that isnt how exp works. Where would you like the jungler to get it?

The EcdysiastFeb 1, 20191 votes

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That...that isnt how exp works. Where would you like the jungler to get it?

Are you

are you trying to say you get no xp from kills and assists

Bears Dont CareFeb 1, 20195 votes

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Are you

are you trying to say you get no xp from kills and assists

Are...are you implying the majority of exp junglers obtain should be gained from kills? Everyone here goes "ThE jUnGlEr'S kEeP cAmPiNg Me. MaKe It StOp".

in come the gold/exp nerfs on the jungle and as a result, when someone complains it causes them to be low in level, YOUR idea is. "You get all your exp from kills! 8D"

The majority of the exp is still going to stem from the jungle, which will still result in them being low level.

Junglers are not a second support role. It shouldn't be treated as such and everytime it ends up that way, it becomes miserable

The EcdysiastFeb 1, 20191 votes

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Are...are you implying the majority of exp junglers obtain should be gained from kills? Everyone here goes "ThE jUnGlEr'S kEeP cAmPiNg Me. MaKe It StOp".

in come the gold/exp nerfs on the jungle and as a result, when someone complains it causes them to be low in level, YOUR idea is. "You get all your exp from kills! 8D"

The majority of the exp is still going to stem from the jungle, which will still result in them being low level.

Junglers are not a second support role. It shouldn't be treated as such and everytime it ends up that way, it becomes miserable

I was only responding to your comment, since you implied you don't get exp from kills.

The thigh guyFeb 1, 20194 votes

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Wow it's almost like they don't want you abandoning your team for 12-20 minutes.

Wow. It’s almost like jungle physically can’t get a decent amount of xp no matter what they do now.

TL CarnageFeb 1, 20191 votes

Well I already did a thread about a route that involves counter jungling were you can get level 5 on you first clear also try ganking and taxing more.

theChibiTinaFeb 1, 20193 votes

Funny. Didn't they lower jungle xp because people complained about getting ganked to much? But you're saying you should gank more because of the lower xp. Isn't that the opposite effect that this was supposed to take? Yet here we are. Meaning riot keeps making things worse instead of better with their jungle xp nerfs.

TL CarnageFeb 1, 20192 votes

I thought riot wanted to people to stop afk farming for 20 minutes and counter jungle and gank more if you're saying they wanted the exact opposite then yes riot made things worse.

theChibiTinaFeb 1, 20194 votes

Riot lowered jungle xp because people were complaining about level 3 ganks and getting camped. Then junglers started level 2 ganking because they needed experience from somewhere and people started complaining again. So what does riot go and do? They lower jungle xp. That's Riot logic for you. This is only going to make power farm junglers even less relevant and the problematic heavy ganking junglers more problematic.

HügöFeb 1, 20193 votes

Their fault when minion xp is worth more then jungle xp.

theChibiTinaFeb 1, 20192 votes

If they keep nerfing jungle xp then we might as well just start having 2 man top, 1 mid, 2 bot with one or two people carrying smite for objective control (likely mid because they can get to dragon and herold/baron). Junglers are just gonna end up playing second support at this rate. It's absolutely ridiculous.

HügöFeb 2, 20192 votes

I can see it coming in pro play sooner or later if riot continous. When the enemy comes with a jungler you can ward entrances to your jungle and perma collapse on him.

Anime FizzFeb 1, 20191 votes

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Funny. Didn't they lower jungle xp because people complained about getting ganked to much? But you're saying you should gank more because of the lower xp. Isn't that the opposite effect that this was supposed to take? Yet here we are. Meaning riot keeps making things worse instead of better with their jungle xp nerfs.

The point is solo laners can ACTUALLY 1v1 junglers now past the early lvls, as it should be.

JG is a support role, not a "im going to pick khaizx, build red smite and then 1v9 the game every game while being able to duel fed solo laners".

theChibiTinaFeb 2, 20192 votes

You mean 1v2 the jungler when they get camped? That's why they lowered jungle xp. Because people were getting upset about being camped. There was no problem 1v1 before. It was the 1v2 that was the problem.

Anime FizzFeb 2, 20191 votes

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You mean 1v2 the jungler when they get camped? That's why they lowered jungle xp. Because people were getting upset about being camped. There was no problem 1v1 before. It was the 1v2 that was the problem.

There was a problem 1v1 aswell.

As soon as khazix/graves backed and got red smite you could never 1v1 them anymore as a solo lane, as they would have the disgusting OP red smite (on a 1 minute cd mind you LOL, shit is basically ignite and exhaust combined on that little of a CD) for duels and they would be the same level as you (while actually outlvling you if they got some kills).

And since they can straight up 1v1 you, you can imagine on how bad the 2v1s get, thats why junglers cant be as powerful as solo lanes fighting wise, because they win already by creating uneven fights (2v1, 3v2).

The thigh guyFeb 2, 20192 votes

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There was a problem 1v1 aswell.

As soon as khazix/graves backed and got red smite you could never 1v1 them anymore as a solo lane, as they would have the disgusting OP red smite for duels and they would be the same level as you (while actually outlvling you if they got some kills).

And since they can straight up 1v1 you, you can imagine on how bad the 2v1s get, thats why junglers cant be as powerful as solo lanes fighting wise, because they win already by creating uneven fights (2v1, 3v2).

Ah yes. And the solution to this was to gut jungle xp to be less than support and adc, so they are the weakest on the map even if they power farm.

They litteraly just made the role unplayable from behind.

Anime FizzFeb 2, 20191 votes

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Ah yes. And the solution to this was to gut jungle xp to be less than support and adc, so they are the weakest on the map even if they power farm.

They litteraly just made the role unplayable from behind.

The point is if you're doing poorly on jungle you can actually fall behind.

Remember on the old Trick2g videos where he would outpath the other jungler so hard to the point where they would be lvl 3 while hes 6?

And that is not a bad thing, EVERY OTHER POSITION can also fall behind and become irrelevant if they get outskilled that hard, why shouldnt jungle be like it too? The last thing this game needs is more "dumb down" mechanics, its a great thing that they remove some of them from the jungle.

Jungle used to take a lot of skill, then over the years they added shit like catchup exp, too much exp/gold on everything and being able to spam ganks while never falling behind even if you dont get a single kill made it probably the most faceroll role in the game, those changes nerfed bad junglers the most, not good ones.

The thigh guyFeb 2, 20192 votes

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The point is if you're doing poorly on jungle you can actually fall behind.

Remember on the old Trick2g videos where he would outpath the other jungler so hard to the point where they would be lvl 3 while hes 6?

And that is not a bad thing, EVERY OTHER POSITION can also fall behind and become irrelevant if they get outskilled that hard, why shouldnt jungle be like it too? The last thing this game needs is more "dumb down" mechanics, its a great thing that they remove some of them from the jungle.

Jungle used to take a lot of skill, then over the years they added shit like catchup exp, too much exp/gold on everything and being able to spam ganks while never falling behind even if you dont get a single kill made it probably the most faceroll role in the game, those changes nerfed bad junglers the most, not good ones.

Yeah. And they say over did it. Again. A jungler should not be forced to be lower level than the support while power farming. Maybe even with the adc but not lower than a support. The role may as well just be gone and traded for a second support top.

Anime FizzFeb 2, 20191 votes

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Yeah. And they say over did it. Again. A jungler should not be forced to be lower level than the support while power farming. Maybe even with the adc but not lower than a support. The role may as well just be gone and traded for a second support top.

I dont think ive seen a single jungle lower lvl than my bot lane in any of my games after patch (i mean just once, but the guy was completely awful, so it was deserved)

Maybe you're doing something wrong.

theChibiTinaFeb 2, 20192 votes

So maybe they should have received nerfs and not the whole jungle since not all junglers were that problematic. And as for getting camped maybe people wouldn't die so much if they learned to ward and play back defensively when they're getting camped.

RekSai CoffeeCoFeb 2, 20192 votes

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So maybe they should have received nerfs and not the whole jungle since not all junglers were that problematic. And as for getting camped maybe people wouldn't die so much if they learned to ward and play back defensively when they're getting camped.

He/she won't understand what you typed it doesn't fit his narrative or isn't openminded enough to try to understand what you are saying.

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Jungle used to take a lot of skill, then over the years they added shit like catchup exp,

Damage creep throughout the game took away skill from everywhere.

You know there is no catch up exp? That has been gone since 8.10/8.11 you know that right?

Anime FizzFeb 1, 20191 votes

What a terrible thing that jungle has a tradeoff for being able to impact the whole map in the early game.

Jungle mains just want to be able to 1v9 every game, even if it makes playing literally every other role unfun, selfish as usual.

theChibiTinaFeb 2, 20192 votes

That's not what he's saying. He just wants to be at the same level as his laners. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be able to keep up so that you can actually do something without being 3 levels behind and absolutely useless unless you're camping a lane. Which is funny because they nerfed jungle xp because people were getting mad about their lane being camped and those nerfs are only gonna make lane camping worse because junglers need to get xp from somewhere.

Anime FizzFeb 2, 20191 votes

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That's not what he's saying. He just wants to be at the same level as his laners. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be able to keep up so that you can actually do something without being 3 levels behind and absolutely useless unless you're camping a lane. Which is funny because they nerfed jungle xp because people were getting mad about their lane being camped and those nerfs are only gonna make lane camping worse because junglers need to get xp from somewhere.

I dont think you understand that being same lvl as solos was fundamentally unbalanced for a roaming PVE role that jungle is.

They were never suppsoed to have this much exp, as riot themselfes said it.

RekSai CoffeeCoFeb 2, 20191 votes

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I dont think you understand that being same lvl as solos was fundamentally unbalanced for a roaming PVE role that jungle is.

They were never suppsoed to have this much exp, as riot themselfes said it.

You really have no idea what you are talking about.

I suggest we make laners earn their experience by only getting experience from the minions they last hit (instead of being a stationary PvE role). You did know that junglers have to last hit every jungle to get experience unlike laners right?