So everyone is saying mages got nerfed but ya know

Craft Zeppelin·Nov 12, 2015·7 votes·1,000 views

The thing is currently everyone is playing squishies. And the class best fit to blow up a group of em is of course mages through their cc and burst. I'm having a damn good time.

Hate Yasuo? Here you are, get the OP deathfire space aids zoning you from critting anything. Graves jungle? Hi there. Oh graves adc? Enjoy your farming, which your AA cant go through minions.

I think the community needs to know that the price increase was due to the gold income increase from minions, and because their prices got decreased last season. It's nothing special really. A lot of AD items got their prices increased. It's just they have added new stuff on the shelf that we mages can't buy. I know that feeling though.

But again, I agree that the Phantom dancer which is disabled now sure looks ugly.

15 Comments

frigginmurlocsNov 12, 20153 votes

The most expensive item in the game now is rabadons death cap

Craft ZeppelinNov 12, 20152 votes

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The most expensive item in the game now is rabadons death cap

That is stat wise the most dirt cheap thing on the game. But erm...it might be wierd to you but I rarely buy the cap since the last ap item change. I tend to buy other stuff such as lyandries, zhonyas, voids, abyssals than a huge AP increase.

Stiv1234Nov 12, 20152 votes

Rabadons is still and will ever be the best choice for damage on APs tho. As an AP mid, if you arent going for either the item 3027 item 3040 or the item 3151 item 3116 route, you should always be getting Rabadons if the AP Scalings arent shit.

Craft ZeppelinNov 12, 20151 votes

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Rabadons is still and will ever be the best choice for damage on APs tho. As an AP mid, if you arent going for either the or the route, you should always be getting Rabadons if the AP Scalings arent shit.

Hmm...ok then. Well one of the factors that keeped me from buying it was the components were taking a lot of slots. Because they removed wards, I might as well change my purchases and see what happens then.

WarlockLawNov 12, 20151 votes

After the last change to AP items Rabadon's became a must buy by your fourth item. Anything later and you are down a significant amount of damage. I actually rarely bought it before the last changes and instead bought the other 120 AP items

Craft ZeppelinNov 12, 20151 votes

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After the last change to AP items Rabadon's became a must buy by your fourth item. Anything later and you are down a significant amount of damage. I actually rarely bought it before the last changes and instead bought the other 120 AP items

Thx for the info, dear me I feel stuck in late season 4 or something here...

ProfDrDeathNov 12, 20152 votes

Then again, for Phantom Dancer to have an effect they'd have need to attack you first...

AbyssphereNov 12, 20151 votes

I think Phantom Dancer matters, honestly. Once that is actually enabled I think the "It's OK, we can burst them!" argument is really going to get a lot weaker.

Craft ZeppelinNov 12, 20151 votes

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I think Phantom Dancer matters, honestly. Once that is actually enabled I think the "It's OK, we can burst them!" argument is really going to get a lot weaker.

Yeah...I really sense a disturbance in the force. Well at least rito showed that they are going to hotfix yas and graves. If PD is going to be the thing we fear, it would be notched too I bet. Nothing to fear

TelenusNov 12, 20151 votes

Hey I think you have an interresting POV but I don't agree with you for a few reasons

Hate Yasuo? Here you are, get the OP deathfire space aids zoning you from critting anything.

II think this is wrong Deathfire seems to be a buff for 1 champ only skills the whole range of aoe champs is pretty much left out as the damage will be cut in half ( or 1/4 i dont really get wether u apply 1/2 of the damage in 1.5 secs or the duration AND the dmg is cut in half ) also yasuo will still be able to dash around like an idiot and I dont think deathfire will help u if hes in ur face which wont take to long as there are BotRK and alot of items give u mms

Graves yeah dash to me whoooops i blinded u denying u the 3 aas and now after u used ur slow i dash away and kite u to death ooops and even if u ult me again have fun eating my shotgun aas from point zero

well he can still farm pretty well?

and Phantom dancer: u wanna oneshot me? one aa and ure fucked

Craft ZeppelinNov 12, 20151 votes

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Hey I think you have an interresting POV but I don't agree with you for a few reasons

II think this is wrong Deathfire seems to be a buff for 1 champ only skills the whole range of aoe champs is pretty much left out as the damage will be cut in half ( or 1/4 i dont really get wether u apply 1/2 of the damage in 1.5 secs or the duration AND the dmg is cut in half ) also yasuo will still be able to dash around like an idiot and I dont think deathfire will help u if hes in ur face which wont take to long as there are BotRK and alot of items give u mms

Graves yeah dash to me whoooops i blinded u denying u the 3 aas and now after u used ur slow i dash away and kite u to death ooops and even if u ult me again have fun eating my shotgun aas from point zero

well he can still farm pretty well?

and Phantom dancer: u wanna oneshot me? one aa and ure fucked

Master Malzahar sensei is a universally known Yasuo kryptonite. If you don't know this you have been living under a rock. Yas has only 43% winrate against him in over plat elo he has no chance since every damn kit of malz counters him. HARD He can even one-shot yas under his tower, or even after being ulted in lane. Even in teamfights he has Zero chance of doing anything. with the exception of the malz player disconnecting. really

graves in general is a short range adc, he can't do crap if being assassinated by a diana with a ap scaling shield or a gigantic laser frying him under his tower. It's pure counterplay.

TelenusNov 12, 20152 votes

well u just state that yasuo has a hard counter but pls tell me how is this an argument for mages in general being healthy

i dont think u have a pbe account...diana gets fucked because in close range she eats all also u didnt care about the smokescreen and the dash that i mentioned

UltîmaNov 12, 20152 votes

This. I don't understand OP's argument. Every character has counters - should a character have absolutely no counters before being considered OP? Absolutely not. If Yasuo and Graves are shitting on more than 90% of the champion pool that's super unhealthy for the game. Period.

When characters are so game-warping to the point where there's no answer to them besides playing their hardest counters then there's a pretty clear issue.

Also it's pretty clear that jungle Graves was never an intended play pattern for him, the fact that you're defending him by pointing out that Diana counters him is an absurdity in-of-itself.