Instead of overbuffing Karma or Zyra can we rather just take all of the supports that do too many things too well down a notch instead?
The coin mana nerfs on the PBE are a start but 
are still overperforming supports.
IxtaliKing3 votesKarma and Zyra just need to go back to mid, where they belong. Riot need to stop ruining mages into supports.
PhantomGG2 voteshere is the thing though.
Karmas jobs is to create a shield and to harrass, but if a champion who is similar to her out classes her in every way, than this makes her a "bad champion" for now you are comparing a pistol to a gattling gun. (if we are talking pure destructive force) The whole point of riot creating simmiliar champiosn to one another is so people who have that play style are given options. "do i want karmas ability to assist her entire team with ult shields, and her superior power to deliver the heavy hits, or do I want lulus ability to cc people and peel for her adc? Or do I perhaps want jannas major disengage ultimate?" It was suppose to be like a toolbox, but with karmas shield nerfs, it simply caused a chain of effects where she just became greatly out classed.
redniwediS2 votesThe only reason I don't want Karma to get a buff is because I don't want to see her top lane any more than I already do. I don't know how she is as a support right now, but as a top lane "you're having no fun today you silly fighter" champ she's good enough.
BALDG1VEN BOOMER2 votesFigured Karma would be able to use Ardent like other Enchanters, but that doesn’t seem to be the case, she’s been nerfed a lot.
Paladin 0f Life1 votesYou dont know about ardent do you? 
This item is why all these supports are meta right now has nothing else to do with it
Deathfire1 votes[{quoted}](name=Paladin 0f Life,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9taG9NTE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-10-08T20:29:38.797+0000)
You dont know about ardent do you?
its heal/sheild power in general not just ardent... windspeakers and other items stack and its broken
