Gosh, laning against LeBlanc sure is fun.

Yenn·Jan 16, 2016·114 votes·6,027 views

Playing Kennen. Rushed Abyssal and Haunting Guise. Equal CS, no kills. LeBlanc's combo still takes 50% of my health with no counterplay.

162 Comments

Crash BandicootJan 16, 201674 votes

Every time I play against a LeBlanc in lane, I can't help but remember reading something a Rioter said about half a year back. The interview had to do with Urgot, and why they couldn't give him more power, and the specific quote I remember was, "Urgot is unfun to play against." I would rather play against an Urgot than play against LeBlanc any day of the week, month, and year. Losing half your health at level 2 against a LeBlanc is supposedly fun and healthy, but having to run out of range for 2 seconds after Urgot hits you with an E is unfun and bad for the game lol.

And then Riot buffs her. [zombie-brand-clap]

MysteriousBootieJan 17, 201610 votes

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And then Riot buffs her. [zombie-brand-clap]

Can you blame them? I mean so many people were asking for a leblanc buff. The community was just BEGGING for leblanc to be even stronger........Kappa

ViashinoWizardJan 16, 201633 votes

Galio "I dunno guys, I don't think it's that bad."

SeductiveGrandpaJan 16, 20165 votes

Galio "Casseiopia, a DOT mage? Dont you mean a free heal?"

Seriously tho, Galio is so fun to pick against AP mids because of his passive, its too funny. I remember this one time there was a Nidalee JG who was completely confused to why her spears didnt do that much damage to me from long range.

Water BreathingJan 16, 201617 votes

Leblanc lane is pretty rough I agree, but the way I get through it is to pick a heavy pusher like Morgana and buy Banner of Command. Promote any cannon minion and just shove the lane. She won't be able to clear it.

I usually grab a second doran's to get some extra mana regen

PiVoRxJan 16, 201613 votes

TBH Ahri is much bigger cancer than LB. Against LB you can itemize but vs Ahri? Shitload of true damage, sustain, 4 flashes and hard cc with laughable cd.

Earthlord JazzJan 16, 201611 votes

only 50% ?

OwltearsJan 16, 20168 votes

50%? More like 50% of my soul is now gone from that blast

Yuri By MailJan 16, 201610 votes

And yet nobody complains about Pantheon, and his kit has little counterplay. They're both (respect this circle around me or else).

Don't die to Leblanc like you don't die to Pantheon, they're lane bullies. You'd find both fall off if they're unsuccessful at snowballing.

ViashinoWizardJan 16, 201641 votes

Mainly because Pantheon falls off a lot harder.

Ulquiorra995Jan 16, 201644 votes

And you can actually gank him.

FastAsHeckJan 16, 201612 votes

seriously as a jungler her passive+w is stuff you find in nightmares

A Miss FortuneJan 17, 20164 votes

And he doesn't have potentially 4 dashes that do AoE damage on low cooldowns.

Yuri By MailJan 16, 20162 votes

Pantheon is also a lot easier to pick up. Compared to the Leblanc who pressed all her buttons and targeted right within such a small window, Pantheon can do up toplane what Leblanc does midlane with less actual skill required.

I mean, I don't play Leblanc. But if she pulled off her assassination, I have at least a bit of respect for her skill compared to something like Zed or Talon. Sure Pantheon is a slower "assassination" but seeing it coming doesn't mean you can stop it, right?

The Bíg TicketJan 16, 20167 votes

And how is LB's combo harder than Zed's or Talon's? Q R Q alone takes 80% of an adc's lifebar.

Yuri By MailJan 16, 20163 votes

Yeah yeah, you have the circlejerk here. I'm -not- defending Leblanc at all. But the fact is, just because he, too, can do that (W E Q) and even though it's slower, it doesn't change the fact that you probably can't do anything about it either.

If you want to complain about lane bullies that only become issues when fed, then that opens up a can of worms for other lane bullies that do that too.

420 StylishJan 16, 201610 votes

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And yet nobody complains about Pantheon, and his kit has little counterplay. They're both (respect this circle around me or else).

Don't die to Leblanc like you don't die to Pantheon, they're lane bullies. You'd find both fall off if they're unsuccessful at snowballing.

Yes, Pantheon is frustrating, but he is not uncatchable and nearly completely lacking in mobility. Not to mention he's melee (for the most part).

Over InnsmouthJan 16, 201619 votes

Pantheon has less range, no safety, more single target, no real level 6 powerspike and melee farming. He also stops being a factor completely after a certain point, whilst LB can always delete squishies pre-Banshees.

Not disagreeing with you, Pantheon is pretty horrendous in terms of counterplay and he can be annoying, but he's not even remotely near the level of LeBlanc.

NostolgicSkiesJan 16, 20167 votes

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Playing Kennen. Rushed Abyssal and Haunting Guise. Equal CS, no kills. LeBlanc's combo still takes 50% of my health with no counterplay.

and what u fail to notice when she took 50% of your health was you were still alive after and she was on CD. u had easy opertunity to punish her lack of dmg, cause lets be honesty if a good leblanc was gonna kill you. you wouldnt have had 50% of your health still after the initial cast out, you'd have 0%. sounds more like your not familiar withkennens stunning abilities or no aim high dmg ult that would have killed leblanc during her passive invis.

For everyone else who is complaining about leblanc. She's the priemier glass cannon champ. all dmg no health. she has lots of counter play and excells through player skill exploitation. if your cocky,overly agressive, or just plain unaware of leblanc's dmg she will exploit it with her high burst. however if u wait for her to go in first your more likley to avoid the dmg and counter her overconfidence. not to mention any lane pusher screws her cs. (morgana for example can force her under a tower and set her behind quite often.) btw when did everyone forget that 1 banshees veil prevents almost 50% of her dmg output by denying her atleast one sigil in the cast rotation

The Great DivideJan 16, 20164 votes

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and what u fail to notice when she took 50% of your health was you were still alive after and she was on CD. u had easy opertunity to punish her lack of dmg, cause lets be honesty if a good leblanc was gonna kill you. you wouldnt have had 50% of your health still after the initial cast out, you'd have 0%. sounds more like your not familiar withkennens stunning abilities or no aim high dmg ult that would have killed leblanc during her passive invis.

For everyone else who is complaining about leblanc. She's the priemier glass cannon champ. all dmg no health. she has lots of counter play and excells through player skill exploitation. if your cocky,overly agressive, or just plain unaware of leblanc's dmg she will exploit it with her high burst. however if u wait for her to go in first your more likley to avoid the dmg and counter her overconfidence. not to mention any lane pusher screws her cs. (morgana for example can force her under a tower and set her behind quite often.) btw when did everyone forget that 1 banshees veil prevents almost 50% of her dmg output by denying her atleast one sigil in the cast rotation

While it's nice that you were very condescending in this, you kinda missed the point. It's not that she's unbeatable or op, it's just a venting of frustration of how annoying Leblanc is. Now this kennen could have done other countermeasures, yes, but it still doesn't stop the fact that usually Leblanc is just a pain. Balanced? Sure, but still a pain.

IntakiNineJan 16, 20162 votes

Name one champion that isn't annoying for anyone to play against.

NarasimhaJan 16, 20163 votes

See, the thing is, 'annoying' is relative. Except for Teemo. Fuck him.

For example though, I hate playing against Annie. THAT's irritating. Either she's playing safe and farming, or I slightly overextend and get deleted. Not much to do there. Balanced? Sure, but still a pain.

SH AzykanJan 16, 20167 votes

Don't understand why this is so upvoted... Literally when LB goes to W onto you, Q>E immediately. If you react fast enough you can get 2 Marks of the storm on her and negate her burst by enough to heavily win the trade (just press W for the stun and auto her until minions aggro is a problem). If you are gonna complain about no counterplay, why use a champion that has some of the best counterplay into LB? Post 6, the Q>E can also add an R for an instant stun and probably a kill on the lb if you have ignite.

If you dont have flat MR glyphs on an AP page for early matchups like LB or Fizz (which you are Diamond I hope you do) get some.

If you take free trades without even attempting to trade back...any champ can seem broken (hell a morgana combo would take more than 50% off if you ate the whole thing) The Fact that an ASSASSIN only dealt half your hp blowing everything on you means that you should be able to punish her severely while her stuff is on cd.

Mr VulcanatorJan 16, 20164 votes

And if you get her low it's time to play guess who.

FowusJan 16, 20164 votes

just pink ward her bro

LilxPaprikaJan 16, 20163 votes

Well the banner isn't exactly a cheap item and you typically need mana item/boots before it. And you can't always pick into a leblanc.

Slamurai JackJan 16, 20163 votes

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NapaImJan 16, 20163 votes

This. Her w has like, a 13 second cd. What is she gonna do, throw another q on you? Its not like she maxes w first...oh wait, she does!

YennJan 16, 201615 votes

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Why don't you just all in her? She just used her W to hit you, so go in you pussy.

Because she can sit on top of her minion wave and negate 50% of my damage by body blocking with minions. Even if I do manage to get her low, her passive gives her enough time to get away, or put her clone in a position to block shurikens.

If I'm playing a champion that can actually all-in LeBlanc and somehow kill her through her passive, she'll just max Q instead, and do fast W > Q > R > W combos from out of my range, forcing me out of lane constantly.

DunkinNoobsJan 16, 20161 votes

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Davy CrockettJan 16, 20162 votes

with LB its not gonna matter if she bullies you, the most she can poke you down before consdering going in is 3/4th health, and thats just after maybe one or two Qs. the problem is the damage. if you want to put the argument that LB bullies you, just play or go against fizz. its the fact that people do not like playing against instagib champions that can destroy you at lvl 2

DunkinNoobsJan 16, 20165 votes

He's talking about Leblancs combo still taking half of his health when he has an Abyssal Scepter and a Haunting Guise. He says they have equal CS and neither one of them has kills. That tells me that Leblanc hasn't really been bullying him at all since he hasn't been dying to her or been denied CS. It also tells me that he's definitely above lvl 6, which makes me wonder why he doesn't just all in her when she uses her combo on him. Literally just press E, run in, and ult. You're probably going to kill her. How he can be Diamond level and not understand how to deal with Leblanc is very strange to me. His whining is also rather strange considering he won both of his Kennen games against Leblanc, including one where he was against a DIamond 1 Leblanc that he appears to have actually beaten in lane.

HandheldBrandonJan 16, 20167 votes

You are not going to kill a leblanc with Kennen if the leblanc has any kind of brain what soever.

All it would take is kennen to start up that E and head in her direction and she has W to get right the fuck out of there and if W isn't enough then R too. After Kennen blows his E and his ulti hes food for leblanc.

IntakiNineJan 16, 20164 votes

How is Leblanc going to have any escapes available if she just used her full combo to knock off 50% of Kennen's HP?

Hello I am BirdJan 16, 20162 votes

Because she has short af cds.

Not to mention she is halfway across the lane by now, because she probably knows well enough not to be near Kennen without her cds up?

IntakiNineJan 16, 20162 votes

Her cool downs might not be super long, but if she blows everything on damage Kennen can and will press E, walk straight into her, and completely ruin her day.

DunkinNoobsJan 16, 20164 votes

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How is Leblanc going to have any escapes available if she just used her full combo to knock off 50% of Kennen's HP?

In magical "no counterplay" land, your opponent doesn't actually have any CD's. This Leblanc is actually able to use her W to do damage and then also to escape Kennen's all in at the same time. How? Who fucking knows.

P0IS0N IVYJan 16, 20163 votes

So you're saying you just sit there and let her combo you? You're Kennen. Just go in.

SleepyLionCubJan 16, 20163 votes

how to lane against leblanc: push

girl can clear about 1 minion every 2 waves.

FuntaCJan 16, 20162 votes

Haha, ikr? And, like, do you remember when TwistedFate could burst you down in less than a second if he got a couple levels up on you, like LeBlanc? Oh wait, that never happened. Ever. Hmm. That might have been Annie, or Vel'Koz, or Zed, or Brand, or Victor, or I guess any of the other mids. Definitely not Twisted Fate.

MelledoneusJan 16, 20162 votes

It's not half as bad as laning against Tryndamere. You better hope you have someone that can delete him in less than a second, because that guy DOES NOT DIE.

Ethereal MistJan 16, 20164 votes

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It's not half as bad as laning against Tryndamere. You better hope you have someone that can delete him in less than a second, because that guy DOES NOT DIE.

The only problem with laning against tryndamere is how stupid lucky crits are. Honestly I don't know why they didn't removed crits along with dodge forever ago...

MelledoneusJan 16, 20162 votes

Not to mention there isn't a single champion who counters him now. If you somehow manage to beat him in a fight, he can run away with his stupid mobility. You can't run from him, either. You need to lock him down for a full 7-10 seconds and work as a team to take down Tryndamere. All the new itemization and armor nerfs really made Tryndamere a broken sleeper pick. If he was any fun, he would be pick or ban right now.

AlleoJan 16, 20162 votes

Better than laning against talon.

SpecterVonBarenJan 17, 20162 votes

At least you can deal damage to her as Kennen, try going into a Leblanc as Karthus, now there's pure hell.

Baron of BreadJan 17, 20162 votes

Try hard pushing the lane as much as possible. She will be forced to use her W to clear the wave or end up losing all of the farm to tower. Just remember to stay warded so you can run away when her jungler starts to come in.

Another thing that might work is using E when you see her coming in. The resists will be nice but you are also going to get a mark on her so you can W off of it and go in for at least a serious chunking on her.

XilixerJan 17, 20162 votes

ive actually beaten a leblanc in lane and it was with Velkoz . mind you i always keep my distance and respect leblancs teleport combo. but the instant she tries to go in i immidieately do my e,w,q,w combo.

only time i tried to poke was after leblanc used her teleport after.

Sypher The PoroJan 17, 20162 votes

LeBlanc's weakness is mostly her cooldowns. Early in the game they are all rather long (About 14 seconds on level 1 W) and if she uses any of it to farm you can easily punish her. Pick someone with good wave clear and just shove her under tower, which forces her to use W to clear the wave or miss CS. Since most LBs tend to max W as well, someone that can interrupt or dodge her W will destroy her in lane.

A good counter is actually Quinn : You have decent wave clear with Q. Your ult can easily counter her trying to roam. If she ever tries to use W on you, your E stops it instantly and gives you free damage. LeBlanc's Q is targeted. You land your Q and she can't hit you. As an AD champ you can get an early vamp or Maw and out sustain her.