What I think should happen with armor penetration:

thinking man··2 votes·412 views

Make Black Cleaver, and then two primary armor pen items, Last Whisper and an item that is currently unnamed.

The unnamed item would build from brutalizer plus something else and give 15 penetration, make the armor pen from Brutalizer a unique passive called Piercing Strikes or something.

At level 13, and with like 1k more gold, so a total cost of about 3k gold, you can upgrade it to the final form which gives like 50 armor pen. This item is unique from Last Whisper so you choose between a shitton of flat pen to rape squishies or %pen to shred tanks.

The reason why it requires level 13 is that otherwise you'd rush it and destroy everything, which shouldn't happen.

Zed now has to choose between the more reliable LW or the ultimate squishy shredding power of this new item. Move some CDR elsewhere so that they still have options for 40%.

Also remove the armor pen from the jungle item and give it some more AD since it's the reason why the freelo junglers right now are Hec/Jarv/Vi.

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Knight SoIaire 2 votes

lw already is effective vs squishiies and tanks alike your argument fails here

thinking man1 votes

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lw already is effective vs squishiies and tanks alike your argument fails here

LW isn't more effective against the average squishy compared to Youmu's or Cleaver.

LW isn't cost efficient until they have a lot of armor.

The effectiveness against squishies is marginal and either way, something needs to be done about every AD caster building 2-4 ArPen items every game.

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

LW isn't more effective against the average squishy compared to Youmu's or Cleaver.

yes thats what i mean get lw and you get similar power vs squishies as you would get with youmus and you shred tanks on top of it

LW isn't cost efficient until they have a lot of armor

im not sure but i think that loads of champs can make lw cost effective with their base armor (i cant back it up but i think that it was like this) at higher lvl's

Meep Man1 votes

I dont know about that. Seems risky to make and possibly too powerful. 50 armor penetration is a lot.

thinking man1 votes

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I dont know about that. Seems risky to make and possibly too powerful. 50 armor penetration is a lot.

It's supposed to be a lot but a lot of armor pen users build a shitton anyways.

It's also unique from LW and it has a level requirement so that Zed doesn't deal true damage to everybody by rushing it. It'd probably have a better mid-game and a worse late, but the cost is too high for you to swap out since it costs 3k.

I think Cleaver would be a team player item for "fk ur tanks we don't deal with that" while Last Whisper is single target shredding and the other one is for killing anything that doesn't stack armor.

Nucleophilic atk1 votes

Armor pen is already OP, why are you trolling?

thinking man1 votes

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Armor pen is already OP, why are you trolling?

Removing the ability to stack armor pen and only giving you one item for it. You have less ArPen than before with this since you can't get ArPen and LW

Miku Lv991 votes

Maybe if they also change LW so it only affects auto attacks and not other physical damage or something.

But still I think 50 armor pen is too much. It means if someone gets fed then they snowball way too hard since they can deal huge true damage to almost anyone for a while. And yes you can stack armor pen. You can also get a Youmuu's Ghostblade and have 12.8 armor pen in your reds. So even with 2 items you could be at 82.8 armor pen. So enemy champions that don't build armor you could still deal true damage to even when they're at level 18.

Maybe you could also reduce this to 30 armor pen and then I think this would be better than how things currently are.

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