Thoughts and Discussion: Nidalee

Stacona··2 votes·364 views

~ General aspect, I want to see large scale changes done to Nidalee and a few abilities reworked (Javelin Toss (Human-Q) and Aspect of the Cougar (R) being the least changed). Nidalee has been a balance headache for awhile and needs to really focus on one form does a specific thing and the other does a specific things.

~ I like the mage + assassin squishy jungler for Nidalee (AD-tank-bruiser Nidalee was never interesting to me and all it does is got rid of Nidalee's weaknesses and skill requirement since going between a ranged mage and squishy assassin has that risk of being blown up when misplayed), it makes sense for her character to be a jungler so something to stick to at the very least. She really needs some big changes so she can always be viable, but never dominant since in her current state she is either always picked/banned or becomes a dust collector - she needs to be in a healthy spot where she does not need to be placed in either extreme.

~ Human Form needs a lot more to it than just throwing out spears. I want human form to really feel like a ranged mage identity, rewarded heavily for landing skill shots, moderately punished for missing them (this could mean anything, like high mana costs and/or high cooldowns for example), is more about getting someone low rather than killing someone outright, and setting up your Cougar Form abilities.

~ Cougar Form needs some power removed like removing the duelist and all-around great element about it and focus it as a melee (ability power scaling only for abilities) assassin with having the abilities about executing her target, especially those set up from human form, rather than missing everything in human form but still able to kill your target. ~ ! ~ Cougar Form should also have mana costs, even if they are cheap/low cost, any mana cost will prevent the "mindless spamming" aspect and actually have the player think about mana conservation all the time. Mana costs will help balance out Nidalee's mobility in Cougar Form as well given that a melee assassin form should probably have some way to actually get to her target.

~ Abilities that should probably just be straight reworked would be Passive, Human W (Traps, given that they really do not feel good to use at all and removes elements to do while in human form), Cougar Q, and Cougar E. Pounce should gain a softer change, but as far as being her mobility spell and the way to get in so she can assassinate her target, it will do just that. As far as her heal goes, I would like to see a support-esq heal ability remain in some form, even if it is as a new Passive ability where dealing ability damage heals Nidalee and nearby allies for X% of the damage dealt and greatly increased if the target was a champion or epic monster; could also have an enhanced effect for standing in brush since the brush synergy to Nidalee is cool to her. ~ ! ~ Leaving in a heal allows for a defensive ability to scale with ability power so that Nidalee can survive for going in and dealing damage as a squishy target. The balance approach is squishy target dies very fast when you misplay it. Also a heal helps her jungle since having 6 abilities + passive does mean she has to have something lacking like crowd control, having different utilities like a heal, some form of gap closer, and the like to go with a pure damage jungler - AKA she kills monsters quickly (by building AP with high AP ratios and low base values) and recovers back some health with a heal (and range) rather than stopping damage completely through stuns, blinds, roots, etc.


3 Comments

WindLord70701 votes

I want her back to being a top laner I want Ad bruiser nidalee back. She still had plenty of weaknesses back then and almost all of her match ups were skill match ups. Right before she was changed to have the passive to work on jungle camps was when she was the most balanced she should be reverted to that state.

Stacona1 votes

The character just makes sense to be in the jungle, and we lack mage junglers as is. So I feel it be cooler to have her in the jungle than another top lane out of the billion already there.

WindLord70701 votes

She was unique in gameplay style compared to all the other boring toplaners. Also there is no reason she can't do both. She was actually a really good jungler before she had her passive changed to work on jungle camps. You just never noticed because it was only something good nidalee players were doing at the time. Those LCS pros don't really like to take risks like that from "One tricks". Had plenty of nidalee players warning riot about how it would make her broken in the jungle too but they never listen.

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