It is just retarded how easily this champ snowballs while at the same time having a great mid and lategame. Irelia only needs 1 item 
and can build full tank after that and she will still destroy your carries in 1 point and click stun duration after using a minionwave to dash to your poor carry. Irelia needs some real weaknesses during early game if she wants to be a lategame meleecarry.
LankPants3 votesIrelia only needs 1 item
So what you're telling me is that an ADC who builds 0 durability items dies to a bruiser who builds a damage item. Shocking.
This is the case for many bruisers, Renekton for example builds a Black Cleaver or a Hydra and can absolutely destroy a carry, why wouldn't he, he built a damage item and the ADC has done nothing to help them survive against that damage item.
Kewlipo2 votesAgreed.
afk soon btw1 votesGetting a Rework. Just wait for it
Ralanr1 votesBut when?!
afk soon btw1 votesAfter Assassin Rework.
They are planning smthing like " Diving Fighter " Rework.
Part of that Rework are Irelia, Wukong, Xin Zhao, Aatrox, Diana, Nocturne etc.
Deflum3 votesIrelia is getting a bigger rework i believe, They were speaking about her unique weapon, but no unique abilities to go with said weapon, so expect her to be one of the big ones when they do the rework :)
Pierce The Veal1 votes[{quoted}](name=Insane Harambe,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9kkBuAfi,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-09-26T03:39:29.073+0000)
After Assassin Rework.
They are planning smthing like " Diving Fighter " Rework.
Part of that Rework are Irelia, Wukong, Xin Zhao, Aatrox, Diana, Nocturne etc.
They better not freaking turn nocturne into some obligatory juggernaut champion instead of allowing him to be an assassin or so help me I will...
afk soon btw1 votesSome small Tweak i think. He is fine how he is right now. Making him an Assassin will only make him (even more) unhealthy. Coming from a Nocturne Main
Pierce The Veal1 votes[{quoted}](name=Insane Harambe,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9kkBuAfi,comment-id=00010000000000010000,timestamp=2016-09-26T04:23:41.565+0000)
Some small Tweak i think. He is fine how he is right now. Making him an Assassin will only make him (even more) unhealthy. Coming from a Nocturne Main
Coming from someone who has played Nocturne since I started early season 2. They don't need to "make" him an assassin. He is an assassin. And I'm shocked you find him unhealthy.
I've always seen Nocturne as an assassin/melee carry. If he builds tanky at all it's because he has to, not because he's optimized for being or intended to be tanky.
afk soon btw1 votesHe has decent Burst but outside of his Q and R his Kit has more about a sustain Fighter than an Assassin.
I also go full AD on him and I oneshot ADC with him but thats like saying Graves is an Assassin or AP Malphite is an Assassin because they can also oneshot.
Look at out AD Assassin:
Talon is " supposed " to go in with (R) - E - AA - W - Q (R) - R away.
Zed is " supposed " to go in with R - do zed stuff - R away.
Rengar is " supposed " to go in get Armor from his W and get out with his heal of his W.
Now look on Wukong
He goes in with W-E-AA-Hydra-R, slips through the Frontline, deals massive Damage and hopes they die.
Irelia goes in does Irelia Stuff, Slips through the Frontline, deals massive Damage
Xin Zhao goes in, Ults everyone away except his challenged Target, deals massive Damage.
So what is Nocturne ?
An Assassin or a Diver ? If they wanna make him an Assassin, they need to change his W and E
Pierce The Veal1 votes[{quoted}](name=Insane Harambe,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9kkBuAfi,comment-id=0001000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-26T04:43:27.594+0000)
He has decent Burst but outside of his Q and R his Kit has more about a sustain Fighter than an Assassin.
I also go full AD on him and I oneshot ADC with him but thats like saying Graves is an Assassin or AP Malphite is an Assassin because they can also oneshot.
Look at out AD Assassin:
Talon is " supposed " to go in with (R) - E - AA - W - Q (R) - R away.
Zed is " supposed " to go in with R - do zed stuff - R away.
Rengar is " supposed " to go in get Armor from his W and get out with his heal of his W.
Now look on Wukong
He goes in with W-E-AA-Hydra-R, slips through the Frontline, deals massive Damage and hopes they die.
Irelia goes in does Irelia Stuff, Slips through the Frontline, deals massive Damage
Xin Zhao goes in, Ults everyone away except his challenged Target, deals massive Damage.
So what is Nocturne ?
An Assassin or a Diver ? If they wanna make him an Assassin, they need to change his W and E
I think only his E is unsuited to being an assassin. His passive could also use a rework regardless of whether he is a fighter or assassin, though I do hope he doesn't lose his sustain.
His W allows him to dive pst the frontline. I honestly just wish it became a little more like fiora's riposte in that it blocks all the damage and cc during its duration. It would have been cool if it could allow him to steal damage from the spell that hits him for his next auto. But otherwise, I think it is ok for him to have it as an assassin, because it is a defensive yet offensive steroid.
In the old days assassins didn't have escapes. Zed's ult left his shadow behind the target. I don't understand how talon uses his ult an extra time according to you though. If he goes in with R, and uses his abilities, he can't reactivate it, it's on cooldown, in short, talon has only one more he can use to escape, which he usually has to use to engage.
Akali goes in, and can't get out more often than not. Diana acts as an assassin more often than not, and can't get out once she goes in. More often than not, the original true assassins were similar to Nocturne, with nocturne being just a tad bit more auto based.
DJ Lucio1 votesThat's depressing, just started to learn her.
The Deckowner1 votesHer rework is coming, maybe early-mid season7 after the preseason dust settle.
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesthe 0.2 increased scaling on her Q didn't help few patches ago llol. made it worse. her Q has 1.2 ad ratio and it procs trinity force. nuke basic ability
five oh tree 1 votes"lategame meleecarry." I'm dead. Irelia's late game, in comparison to other dive fighter's, is nothing special. She's a midgame champ. Always has been. If your team is shitty enough to not do anything and let her just walk all over your carries, it's not irelia that's the problem. You might as well bitch about wukong, vi, jarvan, and diana, because they all have a better late game than irelia. Just raw dps, she might be better than most in her class, but she offers little utility.
Wukong is pretty sleeper op though. Whine about him if you want an upvote or two.
55976771DEL21 votesIf you haven't noticed mostly Irelia doesn't go more damage items after Trinity. Maybe botrk at late game but without it she doesn't have much damage as Trinity fall off late game.
Akali is SO HOT1 votesI built 0 defensive items so I should be invincible
Orcmaniac1 votesI juat ban her every game i can
