Do you like the new Mordekaiser?

Blade of Justic·Aug 15, 2015·2 votes·633 views

Doesn't matter if you played him or not. I want to collect as many opinions now as I can and then compare it to after the release.

18 Comments

Big LincolnAug 15, 20155 votes

No.

He feels more feast/famine than ever -- as in, he now ACTUALLY feels feast/famine.

To make things worse it feels like no matter HOW fed I am, my success is almost entirely determined by whether I have an ally in the immediate vicinity. It's a huge disconnect from who he is going by what little lore we have and it's extremely unfun to play in the game itself if I fall behind at all.

I think that trying to emphasize some weird hybrid tank build just muddies up his potential, too. Granted, Trinity Force is good on him, but I don't really want it to be. It has been made almost core on him now. I don't appreciate that. He feels much more satisfying to build AP-heavy, but there's honestly no way you'll be able to get everything that you need, and you still need an ally to get off your most reliably damaging spell.

The FastAug 15, 20151 votes

You don't need an ally to get off Q if you itemize morde towards getting the damage off, instead of towards getting more damage. Trinity Rylai's makes morde a sticky Q machine.

Big LincolnAug 15, 20151 votes

that's not even fun

where's the enjoyment I'm supposed to get out of it?

there's much more fun to be had in a character who is all about pain in building to hurt people more

The FastAug 15, 20151 votes

Morde is a bruiser now, so there's that.

And honestly there's very little difference between buying items for damage, and buying items to get access to damage in your kit. At least for me.

Big LincolnAug 15, 20151 votes

Okay, but he does not strike me as being a bruiser; I'd rather him be shifted to a DPS-heavy AoE mage with a small investment into durability (your basic defensive AP items + rylai) who trades traditional strengths for damage and durability, with a mix of sustained damage and burst ( which apparently is completely okay on Viktor but not Mord)

right now he's just some awkward delayed-burst bruiser with a kit that feels like I'm being punished just for playing him

The FastAug 15, 20151 votes

Do you mean the new kit doesn't strike you as bruserish, or thematically? Because both strike me as incredibly bruiserish.

Viktor's rotational burst is not tied to one of the most complex abilities to budget in the game. Honestly, in order to keep Mordekaiser's ult(read, stark "weakness and strength profile"), there had to be some massive shifts in power, because it is easily one of the best ultimates in the game, both in terms of coming back and winning harder.

I think thats part of the issue. They want Mordekaiser's ult to be more reliable, but they want you to work more towards actually getting it off. Which may make it more unreliable, which means that they'd have to go back to the drawing board.

Big LincolnAug 15, 20151 votes

the latter

I'd expect Mordekaiser's durability to come from stealing the essence of everyone caught in his wake, which is what his shield already did, and it gives the idea that he's going to be a damage-heavy carry with a selfish agenda

as it is, it feels incredibly redundant that I'm forced to build tankier than I already did ( item 3001 item 3157 item 3075 if i needed it ) in order to get a decent shield value.

i don't think i can say mord is a carry anymore

to make things worse, he's far less interesting in terms of maxing your skills. live mord could max any of the 3 spells first for different reasons with different advantages (Q for short trades, E for poke/waveclear, W for extended trades and resistances) . Now, it basically boils down to max W bot because it's really the only spell worth investing into that early, and max Q top because you can't use W unless your jungler decides to stop by, and I'd probably still max Q in the jungle because it lets you kill large monsters faster. E is just a one-point wonder now, and those spells are never interesting

MatezoideAug 15, 20151 votes

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Morde is a bruiser now, so there's that.

And honestly there's very little difference between buying items for damage, and buying items to get access to damage in your kit. At least for me.

To be honest, he isnt a bruiser at all.

I played him several times. Built tanky items. Had him with over 3k HP and 800 shield.

But he still gets blown up. Low base stats in general + W doesnt have resistances anymore + His shield generation is trash now. Building HP doesnt work because his shield generation is so bad, you will never fill the damn thing, but if you dont build HP at all, you are getting stuck with 400 max shield.

Even as a glass cannon (Or 5 offense + a Sunfire cape) i tanked better as Mord on Live, as well as the times i went Bruiser on Live.

I was legitimately getting blown up by assassins left and right on the PBE even when ahead, and god forbid i try diving the enemy to make use of my broken as fuck Q.

The FastAug 15, 20151 votes

May I ask who you were up against, and what you built on PBE?

MatezoideAug 15, 20152 votes

The rework has potential, but several tweaks are needed.

For starters, having played and getting fed as him, i can confirm he is frailer than on Live even though i built more HP than usual because his new shield generation is balls.

agbudarAug 15, 20152 votes

i think they went the right way. i never felt that the burst mage that he currently is works there are plenty of other mage champs that burst easier better faster.

right now you wana build bruiser the WAY HE IS MEANT TO BE PLAYED theme wise it makes sense

im calling shots on it becoming FOTM soon and people screaming for nerfs within days he gets released.

MalchaAug 15, 20151 votes

If you only play him as pure burst, you're building him wrong. He needs a solid mix of tanky and dps items to sustain himself. Morde is meant to be a little bursty but very imposing with a great deal of sustain. Ghost aside, his greatest asset is his pushing power and ability to force teams to send at least two champs to stop his push late game as he can out duels most champs with even gold.

agbudarAug 15, 20151 votes

yea but play him as bruiser in his current state will leave him lacking also there are plenty of bruiser that are far more efficient then him...

i didnt just play him as burst mage he is by far my most played champion in my lol history haven't played much of him lately just waiting for this 5.16 to hit il play him a fuk ton then.

again im calling it he will be considered OP broken within the day its released.

MalchaAug 15, 20151 votes

That's not the point though. Even if he's absolutely busted, the issue most people are having is the loss of identity. That's the core of this issue, forcing a notorious solo laner/split pusher into a position where a central part of their kit isn't functional without another champion.

Even most ADC/Support champions don't have that kind of built-in reliance. Pushing him down to two skills outside of ult and hitting the base values on his E as well as removing his shield in a solo capacity, destroys his ability to push early game, which was central to his playstyle.

Arcane AzmadiAug 15, 20151 votes

No. It's an utterly retarded idea with absolutely no sense behind it at all. It will only make Morde completely unplayable, or game-breakingly 100%-pick-ban OP... for the 24 hours it will take Riot to nerf him again, making him completely unplayable. Yeah, Morde's fucked.

MalchaAug 15, 20151 votes

He's more polarized than he ever was before. He's either going to be shut down really hard in lane while his team berates the player for his choice to actually take Morde bot, or he's going to get an early dragon and WRECK bot lane in 10 mins. If he can pull of an early dragon you really have no choice but to get out of his way or 3-4 man bot to try and hold the turret. It's so fucking toxic.

Don't even get me started on his Q, it's so bad. It's nidalee spears bad late game. His E and his ult feel as though they do NO damage, but if you can grab a decent ghost nothing matters. He feels like old morde when he has a ghost.

My biggest gripe is that you can't fight anyone solo anymore unless you're so fed they just get obliterated by the pure cheese that is Morde's new Q. 1v1 your ult does no damage and your E only serves to apply Rylais and give a pathetic amount of shield, in the hopes you'll last long enough to land 3 autos.

I played against a Kallista/Threst bot lane and literally wanted to blow my brains out for 15 minutes.

DecritAug 15, 20151 votes

I voted yes, but i admit i am not fully satisfacted: the state of W being unable to be cast without allies is hard for me to digest.

I love everything else tho: the Q has a more Profile-detailed use and has a more realiable efficency, the E allows tanky builds and removes a pattern i personalli hated about morde and made his passive scale with health ( there is an argument to be made there where shield can scale with armor/mres, but the shield itself must first be understood with a certain phylosofy and i think it works better with the change ).

And i am an old Morde fan, having seen 3 splash for him over my gametime ( or they where 4? )

Majestic LeaderAug 24, 20151 votes

I can say nay with rights. I played mordekaiser for an enough time to analyse some of new patches. I have been playing morde a time before his w is buffed for the first time in a period (ability to cast double w on to himself and to the champ) and I can say say that riot completely divided morde's lore identity and his gameplay. When I started to play morde, I liked his unique style from other champs (iron man passive, his story in the lore etc) and his Solomid laneing skills. In my main playing server (not in EUW) people sometimes obsess to kill players and forget pushing and destroying towers. I generally become to only person who is aware of the hoards of minions coming to nexus and destroy towers by split pushing in the late game. By this new patch, they completely sealed w for pushing and making the champ dependent to others. To be honest, I liked and wanted the dragon ghosting and stuff, but not in this way. I don't ever mention his e and ulti, I suppose every old morde players know what I think. To make it short, I conclude that the new mordekaiser is not Mordekaiser anymore and it is just another champ. They completely ruined his identity and made it something different ~~they created a monster~~ I will play morde anyway, but will not get the same enjoyment anymore. Morde is solomid, no adc in my opinion.

Note: I completely have so many respect to very old mordekaiser players, I hope they are agree with me. I open to any criticism.

RIP for the Kaiser!