The State of Vayne

Omiwom··2 votes·976 views

VayneBeware, this is a long post!

In this meta filled with hard engage and hard cc, Vayne could use a little help.

Let's go over her pros: -Good self peel with Condemn and stealth -Highest late game DPS of an ADC -Shreds tanks -Chases well

And her cons: -Short range -No multi target damage -Completely reliant on auto attacks -Bad early game; bad trading and no harass -No wave clear -Needs levels to be relevant -Needs items to be relevant

Build Path: Vayne is different from other ADCs because she typically rushes BotRK. What this means is, while she can steadily kill anyone, she has less burst than someone who rushes IE, on her already burstless kit. What this also means is that she is less forgiving to fall behind on. If you have low flat damage and no crit, and the enemy AD does, you're going to be much less relevant than them. The point at which Vayne outscales other ADs is when she has these three core items: item 3153 , item 3046 or item 3087 , and item 3035 or item 3031. Until then, she has to farm safely and rely a lot on her team to feed her kills and give her pressure.

Split Push: Vayne is typically at a disadvantage against other ADCs because of how slowly she farms. By default, a Vayne should have less CS than say, Jinx , Graves or Lucian . Considering she needs more items to be relevant than they all do, this really hurts her. This, coupled with her lack of multi target damage, often leads to her trying to split push and duel one opponent. But nobody really falls for that because she is respected as the best duelist ADC (alongside maybe Quinn). How I work around this is I hide in brush and wait for the enemy to push up their lane so I can ambush them. This trick is easy to play around though, by warding, grouping, or freezing the minions.

Team Fights: Low range, lack of spells and multi target damage means you need to position extra carefully to get the optimal amount of damage off. Vayne's kit fits this very well, giving her a short stealth reposition, but she's still only dealing single target damage through auto attacks, meaning attack speed reduction items such as item 3110 hurt her more than other carries. She is not the best team fighter, though with a competent front line she can do her job well.

What can be done for her? Here are my ideas- 1: During Final Hour, Vayne gains 50 auto attack range. 2: During Final Hour, Vayne gains 25/50/75 auto attack range(scales with level). Why a range buff? When late game rolls around, something that all other hyper carries have is safety through range. While it is part of Vayne's theme to be up close and personal, it's so very dangerous to do so in this meta. I think 50~ more range is just enough to preserve her theme, and add on some much needed safety. Also bigger crossbows should shoot farther :^)

Thanks to all who read this! What do you think? Could Vayne use some help right now?

13 Comments

Svddenly2 votes

Vayne has built in % max health true damage. She doesn't more help in a meta that she can counter.

Darth Valer2 votes

As far as I know she's not played that much because of her weak early game, not because of her hypercarry role limits. She's a beast, imho, and I don't really see the need for any buffs considering how well she can do in this meta.

Omiwom2 votes

Yes she does, but it's only once every third auto. If you're teamfighting and you spend 2.5 seconds to deal that 8% of a tank's health in true damage, that's still around 85% of their health left. Other ADCs can burst multiple targets which is much more time efficient in team fights, all without having to worry about switching to another target.

EbonRypper3 votes

Apparently you DON'T understand WHY she builds item 3153 in the first place. She rushes it to deal % Health damage on BOTH her Silver Bolts procs, AND on her AAs. Every AA deals roughly 8% physical current health damage, and every 3 AAs deal 8% current health TRUE damage, that's 16% of your hp every three strikes, plus Frozen Heart barely slows Vayne's AA down once she has item 3153 item 3006 , and item 3046 anyway.

Besides you forgot to mention 2 big core Pros about Vayne that really no other marksmen have : Positioning. IMHO She's the best in game at that as far as ADCs go thanks to her passive, Tumble, Final Hour, and Codemn. Learn to position properly, farming safely, and then when you rack up the items you need you can then start dueling well. Plain and simple.

EndlessSorcerer3 votes

Percent **max ** health true damage on Silver Bolts, not current. So it's even better.

EbonRypper1 votes

You're right it IS max health damage. That's why she's so effective this meta. All one has to do is play passive with Vayne, and farm safely and ease into the build without dying, and then bam you'll be more effective soon as you get item 3153 and will be stronger in duels.

IcyPepper2 votes

In this meta filled with tanks, hard engage and hard cc, Vayne could use a little help.

She IS the help against the tank meta.

When she is on your team, protect her. Part of the tank meta is protecting your carries as well as trying to focus the enemy carries. Now the assassin meta is over and the tank meta rolled in, you have to do both instead of just the latter.

Leblancs Boob2 votes

You do know that Vayne's biggest strength is her ability to absolutely shred tanks right? If anything Vayne will be seeing more and more play for how easily she can deal with the tank meta.

masterdragon4812 votes

I just got done defending Vayne in a thread calling for a a nerf on her W. The argument that this person was making was that, by itself, Vayne's W is capable of killing a target in 15 seconds at 2.5 attacks per second, and he deemed this VERY powerful. I'd like to think I shut down all his arguments, but I did so by highlighting all of the weaknesses you just pointed out that Vayne has (you even got a few I missed). Basically she is allowed to deal deal % max health true damage because of what she gives up to get it; the 550 attack range, lack of wave clear, and single target damage is the cost.

I don't think you can buff Vayne. Every weakness she has she really needs; if she had an easier time at all she would snowball too quickly. As it is, when a Vayne gets ahead in lane she becomes almost impossible to deal with. That really doesn't need to be made any easier.

If you have a Vayne on your team, you need to recognize that its you're JOB to keep her safe and keep the enemies coming one at a time........its just part of playing with a Vayne on your team.

Euijin Song1 votes

Eh she just needs a slight damage buff/ataack speed buff. One or the other would make her a bit more viable. Seeing as she can be bursted down before she can ult, I wouldn't say she's strong in the tank meta in practice or else we'd be seeing a lot more of her. She is in theory though.

My Anime Waifu1 votes

I've said it many times before, and I'll say it again.

Personally, I consider Vayne to be a troll pick for almost anyone who picks her. Not because she's a horrible champion, mind you, but because of how many people (even at a mid-high Platinum level) who pick her really don't know how to play her well. She's up there in that class of champions that just aren't great for solo queue simply because of how hard to play she is. Same thing goes with Lee Sin, Bard, and a whole lot more champions.

thinking man1 votes

she's cancer so please don't

Phoenix Kotori 1 votes

-Short range

As a Quinn player I laugh every single time.

She has average marksman range, 550 range is the most common range for marksman in the game and only 7 marksmans in the entire game are capable having more AA range than her (this is including kog active, trist max level, twitch ult, and etc).

She's fine as she is.

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