Shaco players are the most delusional group of people I've ever met

Cloud273··11 votes·3,344 views

"He's balanced, just get sweeper!". Yea, too bad he can place the traps while stealthed. By the time you know where the trap is, he's already feared you. If only there was some actual counterplay to Shaco's kit, instead of needing an item for "counterplay" that doesn't even exist if you get the item.

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Beerstein3 votes

Surely you mean "illusional" Shaco

JuiceBoxP2 votes

2.16% play rate 50.75% winrate

Yeah, you're right. he has no counterplay.

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Cloud27310 votes

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2.16% play rate 50.75% winrate

Yeah, you're right. he has no counterplay.

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You didn't even say anything about his kit. All you did was give play and win rate.

LordRedStone Nr16 votes

I think you're not quite sure what balanced means. Shaco, as a champion, is perfectly balanced with these stats. Shaco's kit, however, is not healthy, which means it has counterplay and should be fun to play as and against while providing meaningful options to both players. Champions can be balanced while unhealthy, but probably it means they are oneshotting you or doing something really opressing without counterplay. Unhealthy champions often have high winrates, but it's not necessarily the same thing.

JuiceBoxP1 votes

If he had no counterplay he would have 100% winrate, right?

Fact is his winrate is just above average And he has counterplay.

Is he an annoying champion? Yes. Does he have counterplay? Yes. What is the counterplay? Deep warding and playing safe. He flattens out to nothing if you don't feed him

SEKAI2 votes

Most delusional

That title should go to Yasuo players, especially the ones in low elo.

IP Masquerena1 votes

Weird way of spelling Zed.

"JuSt BuIlD aRmGuArD aNd He'S uSeLeSs" - boards

gets ganked 4 times in a row by jungler in 5 minutes, proceeds to watch Zed two combo you trough Seeker's and Tabi

Zed match-ups rely too much on the junglers than the laners themselves, which is a bad design, as the match-up itself is either a win-win for Zed, or a loss-loss for him, plus, he needs skill added back into his kit, the lack of it is stupidly obvious.

Poske1 votes

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"He's balanced, just get sweeper!". Yea, too bad he can place the traps while stealthed. By the time you know where the trap is, he's already feared you. If only there was some actual counterplay to Shaco's kit, instead of needing an item for "counterplay" that doesn't even exist if you get the item.

THE AMMOUNT OF RAGE THIS POST INDUCED IS SHAWJKDLEFHGASDJKLFH

HOLY SHIT YOU SUCK AT LEAGUE OF LEGENDS PERIOD L2P nothing else can be said

Hot LeBlanc Yuri1 votes

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THE AMMOUNT OF RAGE THIS POST INDUCED IS SHAWJKDLEFHGASDJKLFH

HOLY SHIT YOU SUCK AT LEAGUE OF LEGENDS PERIOD L2P nothing else can be said

Found the delusional shaco main. [sg-miss-fortune]

Poske1 votes

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Found the delusional shaco main. [sg-miss-fortune]

Given your name the fact that you don't KNOW WHO THE FK I AM IS SAD.

And the OP never played SHACO In his lifetime. YOU CAN SEE where shaco is placing a box HE LITERALY HAS TO POINT IN ITS FKING DIRECTION Not to mention that there is enough time to walk out of it twice

L Psy Kongroo1 votes

I think you're riding the Shaco-hate train a little too hard. Yes he can place the traps while stealthed, but they take 2 full seconds to stealth/arm, and if you're unable to notice he's placed a trap within those 2 seconds, that's your own fault.

FSRER1 votes

3 non champion counterplays

  1. Sweeper, a amazing and very useful item which counters shaco once he is close to you or used to just clear out boxes
  2. item 2055 That cheap item will save you from shaco ganks and if placed in a midle of a teamfight shaco will get bursted down because you will be able to see him through stealth.
  3. Common sense. You see a adc/mage/squishy champ in general, staying further away from the rest of the team, shaco will go kill it so plan ahead of it.

Now, shaco's abilities are pretty much balanced and more balanced that Hecarim you are playing recently. His Q a up to 4.5 seconds stealth spell which maxed does 50 base damage and scales with 40% ad and 30% ap, not overpowered at all His W are the boxes, which, if a shaco is going ap this will chunk (except if you have Sweeper), other than that they are kinda useless because most champion abilities can 1 shot them at 20 mins or so since their health does not scale (did I mention they only scale with 20% ap?) His E is by far the strongest ability in his kit BUT it is very late game cause when maxed, it needs heavy ap or ad to help it 1 shoot you. And his R just a clone, nothing special

Now, counterplay

  1. Tanks
  2. Zhonyas
  3. Juggernauts
  4. Mercurys
  5. Sweeper
  6. Staying with team
  7. Don't overpush lanes expecting not to get killed by him
  8. Map awareness Now again, I will compare him to the champion you most often play, Hecarim
  9. Morgana
  10. Zhonyas
  11. Map awareness
  12. Slows
  13. Tanks

And what you say about the trap, again, you can see the trap when he places it!!!! even when he is stealthed and half the roster hard counters shaco. I explained as good as I could.

HA I am Shaco HA1 votes

the thing is that the item is free and available at level 1.. and also the box has an arm time of about 1.5, as well as you can see the box before stealth and also kill it very fast, Shaco is also briefly revealed when placing the box meaning you can move away from him accordingly . Another thing is that the fear is only about 0.5/0.75 seconds at rank 1 or something and he maxes it last, so the fear isn't that big and shouldn't affect you too hard until late game. but if you want counter items, try getting a seekers early game for the armor provided by farming and get a Zhonya really if necessary, stopwatch works too. Ninja tabi is also a good option because most of Shaco's damage output is from auto attacks. now for counterplay against his boxes, you can get an oracle, control ward or duskblade, all of these 3 items reveal his boxes and oracle gives a red render of Shaco when stealthed, so you can path around his boxes or just generally away from Shaco when he ganks or attempts to kill you. I hope this helps.

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