What the fuck are you even smoking?
Permapick/permaban Kalista COMPLETELY untouched yet Ashe who was barely picked (i think she was never picked in China/Korea) got 3 nerfs in a row?
"How to ruin a perfect rework" - Riot Games
Dryad Soraka9 voteslol why sivir
VDc0zCqe0w3 votes[{quoted}](name=Dryad Soraka,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9faAOEqE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-06-24T01:02:49.871+0000)
lol why sivir
because she's almost as picked/banned as Kalista
granted, she's not the huge pile of retarded shit to play against that Kalista is, so i don't really have a problem with her
TeemoJenkins7 votesNerf Sivir what???
Maximum Zilean6 votesUm, Sivir is fine. The reason she is picked alot is because she works really well in the current meta due to her ult. She gives the tanks a pretty good window to initiate when she ults.
Really, her pick rate will drop rather hard once the tank meta shifts to something else.
Erockandroll1 votes[{quoted}](name=Maximum Zilean,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9faAOEqE,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-06-24T02:04:49.818+0000)
Um, Sivir is fine. The reason she is picked alot is because she works really well in the current meta due to her ult. She gives the tanks a pretty good window to initiate when she ults.
Really, her pick rate will drop rather hard once the tank meta shifts to something else.
And even her ult got nerfed Recently. Sivir is pretty much go where she is.
riot nerf Kalista kitting, that was good but sure maybe they need to nerf her stack too, like maybe give it a stack limit because it way stronger than smite and deal more than 1000 damage earlier before the jungler hit his smite to that power........
In all honesty, I feel like Kalista's ability to secure Neutral Objectives is a fair advantage for her. Much more unique than other ADC's. And their arn't even that many champions with good Neutral Objective taking, Aside from Nunu's Consume, or Cho'gath's feast. You just need to play around that fact. Especially if your an Objective focused team comp.
Partholonian1 votesYou can force her away from the objective mob until her stacks fall off. Or kill her of course, which is much much easier than killing Nunu or Cho'gath -- unless she's hopping away, in which case see point 1.
Knight SoIaire 1 voteswhich is the same reason she was nerfed last time if i remember
Austin Covello4 votesYes, they did, and here's why:
Champion Name - IP cost, RP cost Ashe - 450, 260 Sivir - 450, 260 Kalista - 6300, 975
That's why. Sivir is a bizarre accident. Look for her to get an upcoming rework that guts her a la Tristana if her usage in competitive play isn't scaled back. Meanwhile, Doublelift scared the shit out of the bean-counters when he took Ashe and crapped all over Team Dignitas, whose ADC was running Kalista. Not to mention that Ashe comes with the starter pack, and only the newest of the newbies don't have her, so they really aren't even making the $2 or so in RP per player that she costs. And skins-wise, Kalista is relatively new, so it's easier to create fresh skins for her than it is for Ashe, to get even more money.
IOW, Kalista is a cash cow; Ashe is not. Which is why they want to keep Kalista a top tier pick, and keep Ashe out of the top tier. My conspiracy theory is that they only reason Ashe got a rework (and probably the only really good one I've seen so far) was that HotS is using an Ashe-clone as its go-to training character (at the very least, her W is exactly the same as Ashe's), and they wanted Ashe to get some exposure to make HotS look bad ("Hey, nice ranger, HotS. Too bad we got there first."). I don't think they predicted that Ashe was going to go from trash tier to top tier overnight; I think they wanted her to be more of a second-tier pick. ("Hey! It's my Gold I promos! Corki, Kalista, Sivir, and Graves have all been banned! Lucian's been picked away! Hey, I know! I'll bust out my Ashe! We're running a poke-comp, and she can counter Lucian... maybe?") I think that's what they were really going for. Instead, they got a champion who was an absolute BEAST in the right hands, capable of assassinating squishies, mauling tanks, and completely dunking lanes. Seriously, I was in a lane with four enemy team members, and ended up getting a quadra just by going ham with Ashe before the nerfs.
Hangsterr3 votesriot nerf Kalista kitting, that was good but sure maybe they need to nerf her stack too, like maybe give it a stack limit because it way stronger than smite and deal more than 1000 damage earlier before the jungler hit his smite to that power........
and sirv?? yeah i don't get it? what does she need nerf on?
JFRANKSTA3 voteskalista "perma pick/ban" http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&type=bans&range=monthly&map=sr&queue=1x1&league=ranked banned less then rek'sai "ashe never picked" http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&type=champion-popularity&range=monthly&map=sr&queue=1x1&league=ranked 3ed most picked adc in ranked
take like 5 mins to look this stuff up before you open your stupid mouth
VDc0zCqe0w2 voteskalista "perma pick/ban" http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&type=bans&range=monthly&map=sr&queue=1x1&league=ranked banned less then rek'sai "ashe never picked" http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&type=champion-popularity&range=monthly&map=sr&queue=1x1&league=ranked 3ed most picked adc in ranked
take like 5 mins to look this stuff up before you open your stupid mouth
i was talking about competitive you little shit
Mew Goes AD3 votesSivir? What? That was completely random.
"They need to nerf Ekko. ...and also Lissandra. Just because I pulled Lissandra's name out of a hat and she also happens to be AP."
Mannysmoker3 votes
The Yetii Rider1 votes
- Can't cancel her auto attacks.
That's true, she can't. Guess what that means (It means that when you CC her she keeps attacking, because bugs).
Shifune2 votesLol, you must be one of those people that think because something is picked/banned most of the time equates to it being op. You provide no reasoning behind why you believe they should be nerfed other than the fact that they are picked or banned often. Also, who cares how often Ashe is picked or how often Sivir/Kalista are banned on the pro scenes? The pros aren't the only people who play this game. I personally have a few things I dislike about Kalista that I believe should be changed, IE: she can ult her ally even if you have them locked down with CC. So please, provide me with some "real" reasons that you believe Sivir/Kalista should be priority nerfs over Ashe. I'm not saying that you are wrong, just that if you are going to start an argument, at least provide some actual details.
Only Play Darius2 votes
isn't OP. She is picked because she is a versatile ADC who has decent performance at all stages of the game, and is unique in that she is capable of splitpushing since she has amazing waveclear, and her spellshield and ult lets her get to safety should she get caught out.
is still a problem, I will agree, and she still dominates competitive while also being infuriating to fight against, but that recent nerf to her backpedaling was significant, although well deserved. I wouldn't mind seeing some more nerfs.
is infuriating as all hell to deal with. She has the longest stun in the game, her (now mana-free) permaslow makes life impossible for champs without dash mobility, and she is the only ADC capable of initiating a teamfight. This was all fine until Riot decided to give her a rework that gave her an AD/AS steroid and guaranteed crit, which skyrocketed her damage output without sacrificing the utility she has always had. She also suffers the same problem as 
in that she takes zero skill to use because her primary combat pattern boils down to standing behind her friends and right clicking, with absolutely nothing else other than the occasional R thrown in there every 60 seconds.
VDc0zCqe0w1 votes
so it was all fine with her being trash until Riot decided to make her somewhat relevant?
also dude, you play Nasus/Darius so you obviously don't like her, but 95% of the people who play this game don't find her annoying in the slightest
straight4free1 votesKalista's ult just needs more preconditions. IIRC you can cast it while the support is CCd and that's not how it should be.
Partholonian1 votesWhy not? It just replaces one CC with another.
theragingnerd1 votesKalista's ult just needs more preconditions. IIRC you can cast it while the support is CCd and that's not how it should be.
its a good way too save your support and thats totally fine its knock up duration shouldn't really scale tho
straight4free1 votesits a good way too save your support and thats totally fine its knock up duration shouldn't really scale tho
That's the thing though. If the enemy has a Kalista, you cannot engage onto their support period because they have a get-out-of-jail-free card in addition to a strong potential counterengage if her team is ready. This is what makes Kalista such a strong pick in many instances, merely requiring that the support be able to take actions on their own before being ulted is only fair.
3TWarrior1 votespersonally, ashe's rework is completely fine...if anything it needed buffs...I don't understand how people are doing damage with her when her damage falls off so hard and the slow is barely noticeable
they nerfed sivir for no reason whatsoever...she doesn't even use that item and her ult was what defined her
janna had a good reason for being nerfed...she gave allies a permanent 10% move speed boost while crowd controlling running enemies
meanwhile, sivir has to use her trademark ability and a support/tank has to build a mostly useless item only for its active
doublelift fg1 votesashe deserved this nerf, but i agree that not nerfing kalista was a joke
FistOfSharkiesha1 votesAshe's raw power was far too high for being able to permaslow and stun. Sivir's damage is perfectly in line with her utility. I'm not so sure about Kalista.
Jari1 votesI think it's because currently Ashe has been Fotm, considering I go up and play Ashe for three games and every game was a mirror.
Jofeyy1 votesI swear they nerfed sivir last patch. LOL
The Ellimiist1 votesMmm well Idk about other servers but ashe is the highest winrate adc in pretty much every division NA. I do agree with nerf kalista though cuz fuck kalista.
Also my most played is ashe, inb4 omg ur sivir/kalista playa
McAllister1 votesSivir and Kalista are fine. Yes, Kalista is fine. If you're Udyr and you want to duel her, tough shit. She's not an ADC, she's an ADc: small carry.
Valheeru1 votes... RIP ASHE, hmm heroes of storm here i come
Jeddy0171 votesIn the words of Blakinola - "The fact that Ashe keep getting nerf means she good.So you should play her."
I mean come on,the nerfs aren't even that bad.They're just removing the unnecessary strengths she didn't need to do what she does best.I rather they remove her unnecessary strengths now than leave her alone,everyone & their mom demands Ashe nerfs & Riot nerfs her core strengths.Let's get all these nerfs out of the way.
KazaLyn Shao1 votes Unnecessary strengths...
RoyaiChaos1 votesAshe's nerfs weren't even that bad.
KazaLyn Shao1 votesYes, yes they did. Ashe was relevant for one patch and for one event. After this we probably won't see much more of her in competitive play. Kalista on the other hand, still top pick. Her passive RETARDED, while Ashe's is just strong. Ashe also has zero mobility, so she needs to be a lane bully in order to compete. Kalista... lol, she defies all balance laws.
Vistha Kai1 votesSivir QQ thread?
Now I've seen everything.
