they sucks at being and adc and can't survice 2v2 against another ranged champion, so they moved to top lane and become a pain in the ass for every top laner because their natural strength against melee champions. vayne, then quinn, now graves, who is next?
IcyPepper5 votesWhy must one lane be limited to one class, though?
I say we let ADC's come and go from bot lane and allow other classes to give bot a visit as well.
ImTPainUKnoMe2 votesCass bot lane actually wasnt half bad for a while there. I know Voyboy used to stream it. I think when a bunch of champs can go through a bunch of roles its good for the game. Creates a fun and crazy Solo Q meta.
IcyPepper1 votesNow that's what I call strategic diversity.
Certain strats will always be viable, but it'd be nice to have options.
ImTPainUKnoMe1 votesHe Hasn't done it since her nerfs in Season 5 but like right after the rework he was doing it on stream a bunch. And I agree. I think melee bot will always either be op or unviable but ranged mages or maybe someone melee with great wave clear and all in (ie Jarvan) could be playable someday. I think part of the reason the meta doesnt evolve often or in weird fun ways is because the 1-1-2 with a jungler meta is so engraved in the communities mind that itll be hard for anything else to seem good. Just my take.
Void Nargacuga1 votesI can agree with this. Tough finding which champions could do well in a: More Gold gain but Less XP gain scenario (in a carry/support lane, besides 
though he kinda got forced there, still fun to play the Huekaiser though). That might be the hard part, but it could be very fun and could throw the enemy team for a loop.
The possibilites are well ridicoulous if you think of how many champions there are in the game.
ViashinoWizard1 votesRiot's looking into opening up the farming bot position to other classes. Since shoehorning it into the kit with Morde didn't work, they'll most likely approach it via itemization.
Void Nargacuga1 votesThat I would totally be ok with. Still want to try a 
bot lane... Veigar as the carry and Syndra as the wave manipulating support. Not sure how well it could work, but I believe their E's ( Event Horizon & Scatter the Weak) could have some good synergy. At least at minimum.
ImTPainUKnoMe1 votesVeigar plus Morg Bot lane could be dirty af. Don't know how he'd do pre 6 but eh. It'd be a fun thing for normals. Maybe have a Zed mid or a "marksman" in a solo lane.
ModWulf Helhammer1 votesMy personal 'Unkillable Kindred' build mid is pretty fun.
Void Nargacuga1 votesSounds like it might be tons of fun though. Could be worth trying out.
ImTPainUKnoMe1 votesMy friend got to high gold literally playing nothing but Azir bot lane. It would open his teammater to play stuff like Zed mid, or maybe play a less favorable adc at the time like Vayne top. This season he's playing LeBlanc and Orianna bot along with the Azir and hes already Plat 5.
So idk. I don't think these things are meta or even good imo but it opens some interesting team comps. The problem with trying stuff int he bot lane like that according to him is even as you climb people tend to rage at things that are unconventional cause ya know, ranked.
I personally really like playing Lucian in a solo lane and I've tried spicy stuff in the bot lane in normals, but unless there was a champion built to do it I'd never take an AP bot lane.
TBH though I'm happy with the meta. Besides needing better tank killing options for non ADCs I think we're not in a bad spot. shrugs
Void Nargacuga1 votes was kinda forced into the role of an AP bot laner. So its something to try. I played him and suprised my TEAMATES because of the darn Ghost Dragon he gets... They didn't know he did that even after so many patches. That thing is still awesome though.
I just like to look for things outside of the box. Kinda how I am.
The Deckowner1 votesA marksman designed to face other markamans failing their job and has to go to top lane and bully all the low mobility low dmg melee champions in the top lane, that is the issue.
IcyPepper2 votesIf you think Vayne was designed to counter other marksman, boy do I have news for you.
ModWulf Helhammer1 votesThat job actually goes to Quinn.
Less so now then before her rework.
IcyPepper1 votesI thought she was purposely reworked in that update in order to solo lane, utilizing her strong roaming ability rather than staying in lane primarily with a support?
ModWulf Helhammer1 votesShe still is an exceptional duelist, particularly against other ADCs, although not as strong as she was before with an actual blind
And while yes, she was reworked to be more ordered towards a solo lane (Mid lane actually, which, rather un-ironically, is her least played lane), she still packs a hell of a punch in the bot lane with enough experience
ImTPainUKnoMe1 votesTrue. As someone who has more Vayne games than anything outside of Lucian, Vayne sucks against almost every single adc. You cant trade like a normal adc you rely a lot on your support. Unless the enemy adc/support is flat stupid, you aren't gonna have a fun time until you get some items and levels in you.
TBH I suck, but I still think Vayne has a bad lane (and for a good reason, her late game is still insane if you're good at her)
The Deckowner1 votesthe only anti-marksman marksman is urgot. vayne is not expected to be a marksman counter, but as a marksman she is expected to at least go even.
ModWulf Helhammer3 votesVayne's time in top lane has been practically non-existent.
Quinn (while still being pretty damn good bot lane if you put the time into it) has always been played more top lane since her release 3 years ago
Graves was reworked to make him close to a bruiser. He gets close, he does a lot of damage -- so the goal is to not let him do that
The Deckowner1 votesthe amount of top vaynes I have seem cant be counted by two hands
ModWulf Helhammer1 votesBecause you only need one?
Seriously what are you playing at that Vayne top is anywhere close to a common pick?
The Deckowner1 votesmore common than teemo gnar jayce and other ranged champions designed for top lane
ImTPainUKnoMe1 votesVayne is just like teemo in the top lane. Except without the blind and with true damage instead. If you get the jungler to camp her, or you're playing a champ with a strong all in - Jax, Ekko, Malphite, Irelia, or Wukong just to name a few you can really take a dump on her. I only pick vayne top into very specific things. Passive or very kitable top laners like Darius, Shen, Sometimes Ill get hyphy and play into Maokai but thats the general idea. If you see a vayne top and you're even one of those champions just let her push you in (Cause she will) and then have your jungler fucking destroy her life.
resumed2 votesthrowback to when graves had the highest winrate in 3/5 roles
CoolMike1272 votesIt's like saying why do ranged champions exist, with their superior range. Why do Ad damage dealers (Zed, Talon, Yasuo) go Mid, where that lane is for only Ap damage dealers. Why must poke Supports (Bard, Morgana, etc...) be a thing when they should all be just tanks with cc.
The meta is constantly changing and there is no set in stone guideline to follow, only a basics guide on how to play.
ImTPainUKnoMe1 votesLucian, maybe Tristana. Have Fun :)
Mautok1 votesthere are just some adcs that fit now with this ''no'' ''new'' meta graves quinn and vayne are the new teemo top only
