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Not to be blunt and obvious, but concerning dynaQ...

Seenan··14 votes·670 views

Premades in general in ranked is just...dumb. Let's have an example.

One sufficiently high mmr guy in his division/tier is soloQing, he has an average/bad premade on his team...So what does Riot's matchmaking say? Put his team against a better premade with at least one worse solo player (logically). So this solo with his bad premade has to somehow get the premade of upwards to 4 people to listen (not gonna happen) so that they might succeed. Meanwhile on the other team, premade pretty much would call the teamfights and whatnot and since the solos might know they're not up to par (or by seeing the premades example of a successful fight), they'll listen. Not to mention, the majority holds favor. Even if this isn't the case, there's no telling for how many people that are boosted are fucking with the matchmaking of a division/tier.

This is all in my experience. I'm not saying this is exactly how it works, but it seems like their premade is always miles better or coordinated than the one on my team. As for the solo person, it could go either way. If that potentially bad solo person is the support, I don't think they would really matter in the long run of the match.

That's another case to wonder about. People as the support specifically, should be a deciding factor in who faces who. I have 106k Leona points cause I know how to carry my lane for the most part, but for the life of me, I can't depend on fuck-all of my team to carry. I absolutely fear supporting in ranked for that very reason. Low/average ELO (you know, where I am) is a shitty place. And since I like to think of myself as a bit above average, if I go support, they might have a stronger mid-lane or something. If I go mid, they might have a stronger support user..which is kind of, cheap in a comparison.

That's why I think that premades in ranked should not exist at all. Or that party mmr be a separate factor in matchmaking. Or, while we're asking for things we wont get cause Riot, supporting mmr.

As for scrims for professional LCS teams? Norms or bring back ranked 5s alongside a premade-less dynaQ. Ranked 5s would probably be a better bet unless you wanna practice against Talon support and Yasuo jungle.

tl;dr, premades, ANY premades (2,3,4,5), take the balance of matchmaking and throw it into a butthole, which then creates a shitty matchup.

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ofart5 votes

I don't think anyone ever argued that DynQ was a valid ranked system. After all, you can have pure 5s players and pure solo players thrown together on the same ladder and possibly at the same ranking while the skillsets are quite different. It's an abomination of what ranked is supposed to be. At this point, it's basically just normals with improved matchmaking.

Seenan1 votes

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I don't think anyone ever argued that DynQ was a valid ranked system. After all, you can have pure 5s players and pure solo players thrown together on the same ladder and possibly at the same ranking while the skillsets are quite different. It's an abomination of what ranked is supposed to be. At this point, it's basically just normals with improved matchmaking.

Why don't they just allow normals to have a level of ranked matchamking instead of silvers facing masters at random intervals?

ofart1 votes

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Why don't they just allow normals to have a level of ranked matchamking instead of silvers facing masters at random intervals?

Part of it is that there are fewer players to choose from when making normals matches. The other is that it has a separate MMR and some high ranked players may rarely play normals and still be quite low MMR for them. Alternatively, they may play normals without taking them seriously at all (first timing champs, troll builds etc.) so they don't have a high normal MMR.

GGXJ91 votes

uh pro teams just tr or custom games lol

Seenan1 votes

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uh pro teams just tr or custom games lol

Or yeah, tournament realms also works. Idk about customs.

GGXJ91 votes

they use customs but they exit the custom before it ends so that it doesnt show up and people cant just op.gg their games ya digg

Seenan1 votes

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they use customs but they exit the custom before it ends so that it doesnt show up and people cant just op.gg their games ya digg

I've never actually heard of that. That's smart though, lol.

Quepha1 votes

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This is all in my experience. I'm not saying this is exactly how it works, but it seems like their premade is always miles better or coordinated than the one on my team.

That's either bad luck which is just as likely to happen without solo queue, or you are not communicating well enough with people on your team.

Seenan1 votes

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That's either bad luck which is just as likely to happen without solo queue, or you are not communicating well enough with people on your team.

Yeah, with a premade, you can't exactly communicate as well as you hope since, they're the premade, they know best.

But sure enough, if you pick at any of the premade's mistakes, you'll get a whole lot of cockriding flak by the other premade members.

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