Let's nerf Jayce, Karma, and Jhin

Cloud273·Dec 1, 2016·4 votes·535 views

Very high play rates and very high win rates in challenger. Need I say more?

http://na.op.gg/statistics/champion/

12 Comments

TyrekGoldenspearDec 1, 20163 votes

Two things.

In challenger Jayce is #44 in terms of winrate. Karma is #26 and Jhin is #35. #4,5,6 in play rate respectively. This doesn't say nerf to me.
Their winrates are skewed for a reason. Statistics. Low sample size.

Cloud273Dec 1, 20161 votes

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Two things.

In challenger Jayce is #44 in terms of winrate. Karma is #26 and Jhin is #35. #4,5,6 in play rate respectively. This doesn't say nerf to me.

Their winrates are skewed for a reason. Statistics. Low sample size.

300+ games=low sample size. Seriously? These are like the most played champs in that division.

TyrekGoldenspearDec 1, 20162 votes

Yes. In a division that represents less than %0.1 percent of a game that has several million players in it total, 300+ games is an abysmally low sample size.

CerealBoxOfDoomDec 1, 20161 votes

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Need I say more?

yes, a lot more. Thus far your presentation is complete shit

Cloud273Dec 1, 20161 votes

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yes, a lot more. Thus far your presentation is complete shit

Nothing more needs to be said. Just look at the numbers. They all have over 300 games and like 60% win rates. These are some of the highest played champs in challenger. Those numbers shouldn't be that high.

CerealBoxOfDoomDec 1, 20162 votes

basing your argument on instantaneous challenger statistics is extremely misleading

On top of this it doesn't prove that there's actually a problem with this

On top of this your numbers don't even appear to be that extreme, the only thing extreme about it is that she's popular after a patch change. Hasn't karma been played jungle recently actually?

On top of this you haven't confirmed if its the champ or something within the game itself that needs to be changed or reverted.

Your numbers are not enough, I change it to master teir and things are very different.

You need say more

Cloud273Dec 1, 20161 votes

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basing your argument on instantaneous challenger statistics is extremely misleading

On top of this it doesn't prove that there's actually a problem with this

On top of this your numbers don't even appear to be that extreme, the only thing extreme about it is that she's popular after a patch change. Hasn't karma been played jungle recently actually?

On top of this you haven't confirmed if its the champ or something within the game itself that needs to be changed or reverted.

Your numbers are not enough, I change it to master teir and things are very different.

You need say more

Not really. The numbers are a little bit different but their play rates and win rates are still extremely high.

TyrekGoldenspearDec 1, 20162 votes

According to that Ziggs should be nerfed as well. He has a 75% win rate.

Cloud273Dec 1, 20162 votes

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According to that Ziggs should be nerfed as well. He has a 75% win rate.

According to the boards community that sample size is WAY too low. Then again, our good friends here at the boards have never specified what a "good" sample size is. Honestly, I think you guys are all full of sh*t. If you bring up bronze win rates no one takes it seriously, because "it's bronze". If you show data for high elo games the data is also disregarded because "sample size too low". You can't keep changing the rules just because you don't like the data. Make up your mind already.

TyrekGoldenspearDec 1, 20163 votes

Okay then I'll give you a good benchmark.

If you want a high elo statstic, you get Diamond+ data.

If you want a more balanced elo statistic, you get Plat+ data.

AnonagonDec 1, 20161 votes

I don't know whether you genuinely want these champions to be nerfed or if you're trying to make some shitty point about people using skewed, unrepresentative statistics to call champions OP