We should be able to punish full AD teams (New armor item idea)

HP Crookshanks·Mar 29, 2019·2 votes·1,219 views

Not only 500 armored tanks are easily melted by extreme amount of armor pen and true damage but also full AD teams use to their advantage and increase their teammates' damage at the same time. Meanwhile full AP teams are guaranteed loss.

We should get a new armor item with an unique active. When activated it grants a shield that makes the user invulnerable to damage and the shield can only be destroyed by a small amount of magic damage. Shield can only be activated if the user has specific amount of armor/HP (like ) so squishy champions won't be able abuse it and it will be outclassed by other armor items if the enemy team has AP champion(s). Because of this item players will think twice before going full AD.

21 Comments

Who Fed RuMar 29, 20192 votes

Just pick Rammus or Malphite and it's gg.

Or any tank that can stack Armor only.

Silly NeekoMar 29, 20193 votes

Rammus, Malphite, and Taric walked into the rift.... ADC attacked any of them and died.

Who Fed RuMar 29, 20191 votes

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Rammus, Malphite, and Taric walked into the rift.... ADC attacked any of them and died.

Yeah and Assassins can oneshot them I get it. Hurr Durr Armor useless Hurr Durr

HP CrookshanksMar 29, 20192 votes

Try to stack armor against Vayne then.

Sir SaltarinMar 29, 20191 votes

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Malphite/

The champ that Malphite counters the most is Vayne

So yes, stacking armor looks like a good option

Who Fed RuMar 29, 20191 votes

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Try to stack armor against then.

She is meant to counter armor stacking tanks ...

hiyaresMar 30, 20191 votes

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Try to stack armor against then.

shes a perma ban on my list for a reason shes broken and the problem is that tanks are not even viable atm the way the lanes are mid is robably the best for any of the tank tops. its hust so much damage burst and early ame atm that even if you make it out of the lane most tanks take forever to scale into it over things like olaf darius nasus gp and such that your late game as a tank is useless by that point. im a cho main soo yeah tank life is pretty hard im stuck trynig to learn other champs to even stand a chance

Silly NeekoMar 29, 20192 votes

Alright you tabby barn cat.

That would make it extremely overpowered especially for things like Sion and Yorick split pushing. Reason why? Guess what turrets deal. Physical damage.

All AD teams explode if someone gets Malphite, Taric, or Rammus for the most part and will be slowly pushed out of game the longer the game goes.... Rammus for example, i have built and killed a fed ADC in the Taunt time and they could do nothing about it. Yasuo? Same thing.

HP CrookshanksMar 29, 20192 votes

Shield doesn't last forever and tanks are the ones that explode if enemy ADC (especially Vayne ) knows how to play and they will be slowly pushed out of game the longer the game goes. Also Rammus is supposed to kill ADCs in 1v1 but they will never be alone at late game and protected by their teammates.

MoldyCheese1Mar 29, 20191 votes

Vayne is over tuned and is made to kill tanks so she SHOULD be able to kill tanks in that situation.

Silly NeekoMar 30, 20191 votes

Wits end. gives magic damage to on hit champions like Vayne and Lucian, making them able to bypass it anyways and make them even MORE of a threat to the tank because now the AD champions take less magic damage and deal MORE magic damage which they do not build against, but ends up being extremely overbearing. Not only that, but most champions (like they have mentioned) have built in magic damage into their stuff to help early on, but not really is it helpful later. For example, Yasuo's E can do around 150ish damage? i think if maxed. This would probably give plenty enough damage for you to not have to worry about the item at all... not including Static Shiv. How would it even stand when it would be so easily removed?

Also, a Vayne tried that vs Nasus. It didnt end well. All through the lane she was able to be dived and killed with little to no effort.

That said, then the tank should not be alone fighting the ADC. Even a non tank killer adc like Caitlyn can kill a tank solo.... thats because a tank isnt supposed to be 1v1ing and killing everyone. Tanks are there to possibly win lane, or to provide utility and a front line late game. If they win lane, then that means the opponent either is bad, or the tank player is really good.

ALSO Vayne is a late game champion who excels after she gets a few items. She also has one of, if not the shortest ranged auto range which can be heavily abused by champions like Caitlyn.

You need to focus less on "how can this person solo kill everyone" and focus more on "how can i help my team win vs that person".

Heck, Banner of Command used to do similar vs AP champions but on a minion.... It was removed because it was too hard to balance for the very fact that an item nullifies all the damage to a certain target. That is what you are going for, and next thing you know if they add that... you and everyone else will be asking for it to be removed or never build it.

It is a good attempt at an idea, but it for sure needs refined to make it even seem like it would be worth while. Some things you would need in an attempt to sell it is how will it be activated? will it have an activation timer? how much magic damage would it take? how long would it last? In an actual what way would it be useful? (for example Vayne or any other adc will just kill everyone else rather than go for the person immune to them, same as they do with Kayle and Taric etc.)

banana boyMar 29, 20191 votes

that idea is much similar to sterak's gage item 3053 . a massive shield activates when you've taken a certain amount of damage in a few seconds, to save you from burst AD or burst AP damage.

HP CrookshanksMar 29, 20191 votes

They are not similar at all. This shield can only be destroyed by magic damage and makes the user immune to physical and true damage until it's destroyed.

Silly NeekoMar 29, 20191 votes

item 3091

MoldyCheese1Mar 29, 20191 votes

AP can counter mr by building void staff dude, ~800 ap average mid does like what? 2k in 1 combo, not even including burst over time mages like ryze and cass.

at most they will have 80% mr and void staff brings that down to about 45-50% damage reduction...Which is like 100 mr

so like 1k damage every ~4ish seconds per person?

HP CrookshanksMar 29, 20192 votes

Void staff is the only option that counters mr while ADs have multiple options that counter armor.

MoldyCheese1Mar 29, 20191 votes

item 3033 item 3036 You can only have one of these and they basically are: item 3135 item 3165 except morrello's gives better stats.

item 3151 and item 3153 have basically the same anti tank concept and also gives you good base stats and % ap.

item 3071 gives horrendous stats but you also forget that this item is for auto attack champions. who in the case of a majority of ap champs, are significantly out ranged by ap. so the 700 minimum full damage q the mage is throwing around not melting your mr for the rest of the team is a god send.

HP CrookshanksMar 29, 20192 votes

You should learn the difference between flat pen and % pen. item 3165 doesn't counter mr, mr counters .

Silly NeekoMar 30, 20191 votes

MR does not counter flat pen. Flat pen counters MR just as much.

Think of it this way, 15 magic pen from Morello, 18 from sorc boots. That is 33 flat reduction. If the person builds nearly no mr, then that would mean that it is pretty much true damage at that point. This Also gives 45 move speed, healing reduction on enemies, 300 health, and 70 Ability Power.

Void staff, while countering HIGH mr.... is generally a 4th item (maybe 3rd, but thats iffy) because thats the only time that it is actually high enough to actually be worth something. It gives magic pen and 70 Ability power only. So after building your first item.... are you going to rush into a void staff just because they built hexdrinker? probably not. The ONLY time you buy that is when they are building MR (which is usually not all that much early game) and it gives absolutely 0 of anything else. It does its job well, dont get me wrong, but flat pen works better until the person has about 100 MR, and by that time you are still not going to be buying void staff because you need other things.... CDR? possibly. More damage? most definately. Can they be mixed into one item and give more utility than void staff even if they are building mr? Hi item 3285 .

Flat pen counters early game MR. Void staff counters late game.

Silly NeekoMar 30, 20191 votes

AD champions have auto attacks that actually do damage, unlike mages (unless they build nashors, which very few do). So them having that and Lethality items puts them fairly on par with most mages.

Bork gives att speed, along with an active to steal move speed, and can be used with Guinsoos to be MUCH better than liandries unless the liandries is on one of the fairly few DOT mage champions (Zyra, Brand, Malz, Morde, Anivia... main ones). Bork can be used on every ADC pretty much (jhin is debateable), along with multiple other champions. Bork also does not cost mana to activate, it just requires auto attacks.

BC has 20% cdr (main useage) and shreds up to 30% of an enemy's armor, used by bruisers mostly who enjoy the health boost and who need the CDR. If it was as "horrendous" as you claim, then nobody would build it. (and for your info, it is ALL physical damage. Not just auto attack based ones.)