Adc sucks meme is back

d4rkshock·Jun 25, 2018·4 votes·3,502 views

It's back. The adc items killed them. They aren't being taken nearly as much in pro play. Only 32% of games. Time to break out ziggs. Also if your a twitch, graves, kindred, or ezreal jg main, well you also need to find a new jg. The problem is they lack a good first item. At least tryndamere has crit and yasuo doesn't build ie first to begin with but adc's always rush it unless they build mostly flat ad like mf. She still likes having a little bit of crit because her ult and q can crit. The first part of the q doesnt even need to kill if you have crit and it will crit on the second target if it crits on the first target. We also have Lucian who also mostly uses abilities and jhin whodoesn't crit unless it's the last shot. His damage scales with crit, as and ad. So do you thing the S7 meme is back where adc's suck. This time its not assassins, it's riot having replaced their balance team with idiots causing this issue.

27 Comments

vgamedudeJun 25, 20183 votes

Thank god. Literally the only reason I'm coming back to try this game again is that ADCs hopefully got put in their place.

Freaking adc mains you all get one patch where you're finally optional like literally everyone else and you throw a fit. Typical.

OtterlyLostJun 25, 20181 votes

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Thank god. Literally the only reason I'm coming back to try this game again is that ADCs hopefully got put in their place.

Freaking adc mains you all get one patch where you're finally optional like literally everyone else and you throw a fit. Typical.

I mean, mages/bruisers never stop whining so who is the real baby here? I've never heard a whiner group of players than mage and bruiser players.

BigBellBruteJun 25, 20181 votes

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I mean, mages/bruisers never stop whining so who is the real baby here? I've never heard a whiner group of players than mage and bruiser players.

Except of course ADCs. They whined when they were adjusted because they could out assassin assassins.

OtterlyLostJun 25, 20181 votes

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Except of course ADCs. They whined when they were adjusted because they could out assassin assassins.

Ahhh the classic,"marksmen were bursting harder than asassins" while ignoring specific circumstances like how fed they were, how easy they are to burst, and how late game it was. And of course, the complete ignoring of how badly they were gutted.

Seriously, ADC mains have complained twice in 8 seasons and it was both during times where it was well deserved. Bruiser and mage mains whine every. Goddamn. Season. Even when all of their picks are viable and have decent item choices and a selection of roles to play. Still not good enough.

Honestly, bruiser and mage mains are the entitled ones. They have access to top, mid, and jungle in that they can be played viably in all of these lanes but evey single one is like,"OMG, marksmen have one lane all to themselves, the only lane they can go to because we dont like them in our lane, how horrible. We demand that lane because having three fourths of the map isn't enough. We need to have access to the entirety of the map and adcs should have access to none of it. How dare crit adcs want to be solo laners and come mid; get back bot with your "slave" who actually has all the impact and power in lane. You dont need agency or lane diversity because you have bot and we don't. Waaaaah. And while we're at it, rito our champs suck, pls buff them. Waaaah."

Literally every mage and bruiser main for seasons. I can find millions of threads of bruiser and mage mains whining about their champions and their roles before 8.11.

But marksmen are entitled for wanting equality for their champions.

AzadetheJun 26, 20181 votes

There are at least 3 adcs who do not need fed to assassinate:

Jinx : Her range carries her even when behind. As long as she has a cc wall of allies in front of her, she is the most Pentakill friendly champ in the game.

Tristana Can assassinate before she's even fed. All being fed does for her is increase the HP by which she survives and how many times she can reset. (She can burst ~2100 HP with just a item 3153 early game)

Quinn Although an extremely low Bot pick, she has an insanely unchecked in rate in ALL roles of 73% + once she has 2 items. She is one of the easiest adcs to assassinate with, has overcapping damage in just 2 abilities, and can now mark on EVERY skill where she used to be able to only Mark on one, and her passive. This creates 3 mark procs in a matter of about 2 seconds, and she builds Lethality to boost, and has the fastest map travel in the game.

OtterlyLostJun 26, 20182 votes

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There are at least 3 adcs who do not need fed to assassinate:

: Her range carries her even when behind. As long as she has a cc wall of allies in front of her, she is the most Pentakill friendly champ in the game.

Can assassinate before she's even fed. All being fed does for her is increase the HP by which she survives and how many times she can reset. (She can burst ~2100 HP with just a early game)

Although an extremely low Bot pick, she has an insanely unchecked in rate in ALL roles of 73% + once she has 2 items. She is one of the easiest adcs to assassinate with, has overcapping damage in just 2 abilities, and can now mark on EVERY skill where she used to be able to only Mark on one, and her passive. This creates 3 mark procs in a matter of about 2 seconds, and she builds Lethality to boost, and has the fastest map travel in the game.

Uh I play two of the three of these and can say, yes. You need to either be fed or extremely well farmed and if you didn't manage either early on, you're stuck waiting until late game. At which point, if Tristana and Jinx have spent the game behind and they reach late game without you closing out, that's your fault and you deserve to be "assassinated" as you put it. That's your own inability to close out the game fast.

I know for a fact tristana cannot burst you with one item and definitely not with just bork unless you're just stupidly underfed and behind, which, again, is your fault and you have earned that. I have almost 1 million mastery points on her and I know what she can and cannot do and when she can and cant do it. And most of the time, she wont be rushing a bork first item in the first place; not when BT or BF into Zeal is much stronger for her.

Quinn is an assassin; she is considered to be like graves and corki. All assassins can burst you without being fed. ._. A zed or talon can burst a squishy if they're behind if they catch them alone and off guard.

Have you even played a marksmen before? The ignorance in these boards is astounding. I love when they come in and complain about fed ADCs bursting them in teamfights, like a class who is designed to and only builds full damage isn't going to do alot of it if well farmed and fed.

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What a joke. Just because you get a support in lane as a slave doesn't mean you aren't the strongest class and surely that isn't the only reason why. I hate this damn excuse so badly.

Again, the support decides laning phase and has full control over it. Morons like you should try playing bot lane for a month or two as a marksmen and see just how "overpowered" this class is. Your skill in lane does not matter; you can be trash tier or you can be a God. Doesn't fucking matter if your support is a potato. They decide your laning phase for you and it doesn't end after it's over and shit. If they cant protect you in teamfights, you arent doing shit. This is shown to me constantly in my own games; I leave lane fed? Doesn't matter. They have a fed assassin and my support cant save me, my team cant protect me. We just lose.

Because marksmen dont have agency. Their defenses have been consistently crippled more and more over the course of this game and so has their "solo carry" potential. No marksmen carries the game on their own. Which makes the losses you suffer sometimes even more demoralizing and frustrating. I have left laning phases as 5/0 but my mid (who actually has all the power and solo carry potential on the map; mid mains who tell you otherwise are just bad at their lane) opened up a soup kitchen to their laner and I cant do anything. That laner, regardless of who it is or what it is, scales faster than me, has self peeling abilities that allow them to function with a team full of monkeys, and is probably through two items while I'm sitting at 1 and a half due to my absurd item costs. They're going to rip through my team and then they're gonna murder me because there is no way I can 1v5 them. I cant even 1v1 unless they grossly mess up.

AzadetheJun 26, 20181 votes

Your account says you're SIlver V and have a whopping 39% win with Tristana, and none of your scores look like a 1 million mastery score.... or the scores of someone smurfing her who has 1 million mastery......

This post is a meme.

And I've learned that arguing with memes is pointless :)

OtterlyLostJun 26, 20181 votes

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Your account says you're SIlver V and have a whopping 39% win with Tristana, and none of your scores look like a 1 million mastery score.... or the scores of someone smurfing her who has 1 million mastery......

This post is a meme.

And I've learned that arguing with memes is pointless :)

Ended last season with a 55% winrate on tristana and a 53% overall winrate in s3. I stopped playing ranked or I could have gotten gold. This year, I was forced into playing my placements after a solid month of not playing at all because I wanted to play in a friends league and he decided to try and help me through them as a diamond 5 smurf playing khazix mid and essentially trolling me. I haven't played ranked all this season because of it and that shows in the fact that I have 20 odd games. You can click the previous tab and see my 200+ games on tristana last season or you can go here: https://championmasterylookup.derpthemeus.com/summoner?summoner=OtterlyLost&region=NA and see that I have a staggering number of mastery points on the champion.

And finally resorting to calling out my rank and trying to "meme" when you're proven wrong just makes you look like an idiot.

AzadetheJun 26, 20181 votes

Wow. 930k Mastery on Tristana. That's Legit :S.

But..... having that type of 1 trick mastery generally puts someone in Diamond +.... In other words, it's not indicatve of actually having mastered her. Tristana can easily carry to platinum. Past that people generally are cautious and don't allow her to thrive.

But silver.... means you just have spammed a lot of games :S.

And a Diamond V smurf could totally mid Kha Zix. There's nothing gating him from playing the role.

OtterlyLostJun 26, 20181 votes

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Wow. 930k Mastery on Tristana. That's Legit :S.

But..... having that type of 1 trick mastery generally puts someone in Diamond +.... In other words, it's not indicatve of actually having mastered her. Tristana can easily carry to platinum. Past that people generally are cautious and don't allow her to thrive.

But silver.... means you just have spammed a lot of games :S.

And a Diamond V smurf could totally mid Kha Zix. There's nothing gating him from playing the role.

I don't play rank and don't have time to climb. And no, a D5 cannot Kha'Zix mid. If he could, I wouldn't be sitting at 30% WR off just my placements. He's also a jungler main and decided to make it "fair" by playing an off role with a champion that doesn't work mid. .-. My friend trolled me and he actively admits it regularly. And don't even mention the one game he played his OTP, Fiddlesticks, as a support. Told me to just do everything he said and sure, I got a double kill. And then we just ended up inting the rest of laning phase.

And I could get to platinum before they gutted Tristana just playing her only. I just don't have the time or inclination. And its not rewarding now to bang my head against the wall with her in a shit state and their only buff being to give her a higher AD ratio on a long CD bomb that requires her to stand and AA for meaningful damage. There's no reason to even play ranked right now when my otp is at a 43% wr and I can't even win with her.

NaughtyWordApr 6, 20191 votes

{quoted} : Her range carries her

Are you sure you are talking about league of legends?

Her range is 525 among the shortest of all ADCs. It only jumps to 700 with 5 stacks in Switcharoo and ONLY when she is using Fishbones and her attack speed plummets and her auto's cost mana.

There's some legitimate complants to make about Jinx but her range is not among them. Indeed most ADCs out range her.

AzadetheApr 6, 20191 votes

You do realize only 2 adcs even compete with her in range?

Caitlyn Tristana

And Tristana's comes late game.

Her Switcharoo does not cost much, and by 1 item is so negligible of a problem you can constantly keep switching back to Fishbones. She can also go item 3094 to get to 850.

Only Caitlyn actually has a continual range advantage over Jinx, and her kit generally is defensive, not offensive.

Jinx's range is why she beats champs like Draven and Vayne.

You really have a biased argument started here, since Jinx's entire gameplay style revolves around Fishbones.....

This thread is 8 months old..... omfg.

vgamedudeJun 26, 20181 votes

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I mean, mages/bruisers never stop whining so who is the real baby here? I've never heard a whiner group of players than mage and bruiser players.

You mean the classes that aren't required and have multiple other people who can easily fill their roles, versus the one class that had sole dominance over the most important lane and carry role for years and years all by themselves?

OtterlyLostJun 26, 20182 votes

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You mean the classes that aren't required and have multiple other people who can easily fill their roles, versus the one class that had sole dominance over the most important lane and carry role for years and years all by themselves?

And ADC? Carrying by themselves? Pffft. That's a new one out of the circle jerk hate train. xD Anyone worth their salt knows that the most influential roles to carry from are Mid and Jungle. ADC doesn't get any agency over their game and any moron who thinks otherwise has never played him.

Its All SkillzzJun 26, 20183 votes

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And ADC? Carrying by themselves? Pffft. That's a new one out of the circle jerk hate train. xD Anyone worth their salt knows that the most influential roles to carry from are Mid and Jungle. ADC doesn't get any agency over their game and any moron who thinks otherwise has never played him.

Pretty much support wins lane for you and determines how well your laning goes, jungle an mid roams can get you fed but also backfire. adc can not carry on its own, Support makes the plays and peels they pretty much win you the lane/game bad support = gg.

OtterlyLostJun 26, 20181 votes

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Pretty much support wins lane for you and determines how well your laning goes, jungle an mid roams can get you fed but also backfire. adc can not carry on its own, Support makes the plays and peels they pretty much win you the lane/game bad support = gg.

Pretty much this. It's why its doubly frustrating for ADC to be so bad when it cant even carry on it's own in the first place; it's the least rewarding carry role in the game and has only gotten progressively worse the longer league exists.

Mucho AutisimoJun 29, 20181 votes

^ +1

About done with this game if these ADC nerfs aren't reversed. The hate from other roles is astonishing especially when they tell me what it's like to play an adc and they have like 5 adc ranked games over 4 seasons.

July is a NOOBMar 27, 20191 votes

When you are 1v2, full 3/4 hp, got both of them stunned, half health, with ignite or exhaust on, and only few attacks from death. Then you found your adc was farming right behind you, and he didn't even get the minions..... well, i guess it's the sup's fault didn;t do enough damage to 1v2?

vgamedudeJun 26, 20181 votes

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And ADC? Carrying by themselves? Pffft. That's a new one out of the circle jerk hate train. xD Anyone worth their salt knows that the most influential roles to carry from are Mid and Jungle. ADC doesn't get any agency over their game and any moron who thinks otherwise has never played him.

What a joke. Just because you get a support in lane as a slave doesn't mean you aren't the strongest class and surely that isn't the only reason why. I hate this damn excuse so badly.

AzadetheJun 26, 20182 votes

My only complaint with mages is their damage executions in the fast meta result in far more "support like" kdas. Morgana used to be a champ who could 20/4/18 a game. Now she's lucky to 5/2/25 a game.

The damage is there, but the Auto attack meta damage gets reliably applied at the end of an engagement, almost always awarding the AD's the kill.

In this new Bounty system that can be 2000-3000 lost gold per game.

I can't pull a 20k Gold game on a mage anymore. The Talon or Zed or Warwick I'm teamed with gets all the kills.

AptestJun 25, 20182 votes

dc's always rush it

what happened to BF into zeal ?

d4rkshockJun 25, 20182 votes

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what happened to BF into zeal ?

Bf was for ie. Zeal is only crit chance and no ad at all.

Colton147Jun 25, 20181 votes

Ziggs is trash and an troll pick auto-loss right now. (Level 7 Ziggs )

50% win rate: http://na.op.gg/champion/ziggs/statistics/mid

dunder killJun 25, 20182 votes

auto-loss

50% win rate

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

BigBellBruteJun 25, 20181 votes

ADC 2018 Lullllzzzzzzz.

July is a NOOBMar 27, 20191 votes

Srsly, if you ad sucks (sucks I mean those real potato who have 30 cs 0/3 when the other side got 80 cs 4/1), try to roam mid, get a pink and light up the right. Help your mid, and push the turret so your mid will be free to roam to bot or top. Just leave your stupid adc at bot, tell him to safe farm under the turret, and leave if they can turret dive. If their bot came to mid, your adc have free farming time. If that dam adc can't do either of these. Just ff. Don't ruin your own game experience because of someone who doesn't deserve a good sup. Most importantly, don't get the blue sup item when you are supporting a stranger, you need a more secure gold and vision item in case your ad sucks. 5 ranks, 5 different sup stuck with their stupid adc who dealt less than 3000 damage each game, never put wards because they can't feed their blue item, and they don't help or save the other three players who were really carrying. Don't, just don't fkin suck with the adc if you are not as bad.

d4rkshockApr 6, 20191 votes

This is an old post. This os when riot fucked up the crit items. The meme for s7 was adc's suck then a year later, they target adc's directly and nerf them into the ground so we saw shit like ziggs come back and mf was one of the best since she doesnt care about crit. Luckily ie got reverted.