Karthus loses 100% of max mana in 10 seconds - Intended?

Malak·Jul 12, 2018·1 votes·1,216 views

If I buy a mana item + dark seal + manaflow band maybe I get 15 seconds of ability usage.

I wanted to record proof but I insta crash whenever I try to record from replay.

Is this intended? I can burn mana faster than Anivia - Karthus didn't need the mana nerf. The Q & E specially drains tons of mana.

If I build CDR the time to 0 mana is even lower

Edit:

Yea I could build tear, yea I could not level E (terrible idea), yea I could kill people in those 10 seconds (which I do)

But is this actually correct? Does any other mage run out of mana that fast?

18 Comments

Tahminatrix Jul 12, 20185 votes

item 3040 , turn his e off when you arnt using it and kill a few minions...

Just the passive on tear alone will make you earn more mana than spending it...

If a fight you are in lasts more than 10 seconds and you haven't done significant damage to the enemy team despite casting spells constantly then you are doing something wrong..

420 gramsJul 12, 20183 votes

Look at how much damage he puts out in that 10 seconds

Meep ManJul 13, 20183 votes

Intended, because his E restores mana when toggled off whenever you kill something. It's one of the strongest mana restoration mechanics in the game. Not to mention Karthus probably has one of if not the highest potential damage per mana ratio in the game.

MalakJul 13, 20181 votes

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Intended, because his E restores mana when toggled off whenever you kill something. It's one of the strongest mana restoration mechanics in the game. Not to mention Karthus probably has one of if not the highest potential damage per mana ratio in the game.

Too bad I don't get that restore in teamfights when the issue I'm describing occurs - where I go from 100% mana to 0% without using my ult, just off Q, E, and one W

Baron BarianJul 12, 20181 votes

Build more mana. If you don't, then no matter what the other items are, the time it takes to go oom will never change.

MalakJul 12, 20181 votes

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Build more mana. If you don't, then no matter what the other items are, the time it takes to go oom will never change.

Yea of course. I build mana but still runs out too fast. Problem is he has the same mana costs as other mages but you spam abilities since they are slow damage without cooldown

Kats PajamasJul 12, 20181 votes

You might find this suggestion ridiculous, but most of his E damage comes from items like Liandries and AP Scale anyway, so just don't level it up. You lose the extra mana on kill, but the spell costs 1/2 as much to use, and so you can use it much longer.

MalakJul 13, 20181 votes

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You might find this suggestion ridiculous, but most of his E damage comes from items like Liandries and AP Scale anyway, so just don't level it up. You lose the extra mana on kill, but the spell costs 1/2 as much to use, and so you can use it much longer.

Nah..you need 500 AP to match the base damage. In fact, Karthus builds magic pen because his base damages are high while his scalings are mediocre in comparison. I’m a Karthus OT btw

Kats PajamasJul 14, 20181 votes

And how much AP base damage to match the Liandries % burn that is doubled naturally by his wall? Madness alone is worth over 75AP + the 6% HP second for 3 seconds.

I also don't see how magic pen/AP changes my suggestion. The point is Lay Waste gains significant damage for slightly more mana, and Defile gives slightly more damage for large mana increases.

He might have lower bases, but that wasn't the point. I wasn't comparing AP/Pen against his bases, I was comparing his E damage with Liandries rank 1, verses his E damage with liandries rank 5, is mostly still just Liandries damage, but for half the mana cost.

MalakJul 14, 20181 votes

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And how much AP base damage to match the Liandries % burn that is doubled naturally by his wall? Madness alone is worth over 75AP + the 6% HP second for 3 seconds.

I also don't see how magic pen/AP changes my suggestion. The point is Lay Waste gains significant damage for slightly more mana, and Defile gives slightly more damage for large mana increases.

He might have lower bases, but that wasn't the point. I wasn't comparing AP/Pen against his bases, I was comparing his E damage with Liandries rank 1, verses his E damage with liandries rank 5, is mostly still just Liandries damage, but for half the mana cost.

man I appreciate you trying to give tips, but I'm a dia smurf and if I wanted advice I would ask my master/challenger friends. Maybe you're a smurf but I don't think you understand what's good on Karthus. Look at probuilds and see if you see a single liadrias built for Karthus.

I don't know why you're so deadset on mana being fine and trying to come up with excuses on why its fine, when no other mages have to deal with any of this.

Baron BarianJul 13, 20181 votes

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Yea of course. I build mana but still runs out too fast. Problem is he has the same mana costs as other mages but you spam abilities since they are slow damage without cooldown

Well, I took a look at your match history, and notice that you don't build item 3070 , which he can stack very quickly, gain 750 extra mana by itself, and when upgrade, rewards you for making all that mana, plus an extra 650 mana.

I like being greedy and patient myself by making both item 3040 and item 3027 , but if you have to choose one or the other, always pick the Seraph. He IS very mana dependant, and the former just adds so much more. Combine that lane game item with the Mana Bind rune, THEN check to see how long the E lasts.

MalakJul 13, 20181 votes

Problem is Rod of Ages is a mana item already and Karthus is the only mage that runs out of mana quickly. By comparison, with brand I remember never being close to running out of mana. Even using abilities to harass on cooldown

Baron BarianJul 13, 20181 votes

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Problem is Rod of Ages is a mana item already and Karthus is the only mage that runs out of mana quickly. By comparison, with brand I remember never being close to running out of mana. Even using abilities to harass on cooldown

You clearly never played Ryze. Who also builds tear specifically to counter his own mana issues, which is what you should be doing with Karthus.

MalakJul 13, 20181 votes

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You clearly never played Ryze. Who also builds tear specifically to counter his own mana issues, which is what you should be doing with Karthus.

um...no? Ryze gains DAMAGE from mana as well dude...

Baron BarianJul 13, 20181 votes