Every single wukong game he 100-0's our adc and there is almost no counterplay

PapaGreg21··60 votes·16,039 views

At least on ARAM I can buy the thing that lets me see invisible stuff coming at us when they get close. I play tanks like kench and nautilus and there is no way possible to peel ofr the adc before he hits his combo on them or another one of our squishy teammates. How is this a healthy playstyle?

Edit: I understand that there are a lot of champs that can kill an ADC in a matter of a second or two and that's not the conversation I was trying to start. My complaint is that Wukong is running in here invisible and doing it.

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Madsin2526 votes

You act like wukong is the only one doing that. I could start naming off the stupid one shot champs but tbfh I just cbf.

Naymliss21 votes

Yeah, with all the crap that 1 shots adcs even with adcs opting for defensive builds, only the masochists are left playing actual marksman bot.

BestPudgeNA4 votes

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Yeah, with all the crap that 1 shots adcs even with adcs opting for defensive builds, only the masochists are left playing actual marksman bot.

ADCs won't even build Ninja tabi, let alone opt into a defensive build. Like Tabi+ Ddance+Stormrazor+GA.

Naymliss5 votes

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2819592810/235849286?tab=overview

I still one shot ashe without my ult through maw shield and black cleaver hp.

ZackTheWaffleMan26 votes

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tbfh I just cbf.

#what

Warlord Rhinark24 votes

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#what

The English language becomes more corrupted and unintelligible by the day.

#Deadass

CrimsonLotus31 votes

as if different dialects or the use of and change in slang is a bad thing headass

Warlord Rhinark3 votes

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as if different dialects or the use of and change in slang is a bad thing headass

It's a bad thing if you ask me. It's very hard to keep up a conversation with someone when acronyms not all people know are included and then you have to explain what it means and it would've just been so much easier if you hadn't made it an acronym to begin with.

#Breadass

Spank the Fox2 votes

It’s also the internet, lmao.

People been shorthanding text for a long time via forums or text message

Smh KUWTT

DearPear6 votes

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Smh KUWTT

Whenever I see someone using "smh" I automatically assume he's a prick.

Melledoneus3 votes

Smh

Uh... oscillating my head laterally on the swivel that is my neck.

Livin like Riven7 votes

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#what

ALLOW ME TO TRANSLATE. You act like wukong is the only one doing that. I could start naming off the stupid one shot champs but tbfh I just cbf. means "You purport that Wukong is the sole abuser of such dastardly oneshottery. However, were I so disposed, I would find myself able to list many champions who are similiar to that end. But alas, in earnest, I care not."

It actually meants to be fucking honest, I just can't be fucked, if you want a real translation.

CrestfallenNight1 votes

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You act like wukong is the only one doing that. I could start naming off the stupid one shot champs but tbfh I just cbf.

[zombie-brand-mindblown] Wukong is like an assassin, that gets INVISIBLE, no other assassin does that. Evelynn has the advantage but she has to land her Q, because using R out of nowhere won't kill anything. As for shaco, you see his little red smoke. As for rengar, you get to see his mark on you. Wukong is jump + ult = knockup + insane damage. I don't even know or give much of a fak if the ones I listed aren't all assassins anyway.

ZackTheWaffleMan3 votes

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CrestfallenNight2 votes

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Smiles I knew someone would pull the Kha'zix card. The thing is, while kha'zix is invisible, he jumps but doesn't cc you. Like Wukong's R.

BobaFlautist9 votes

Wait you play Kench? Literally just stand on your adc and press w when you see his e animation, it's not hard lol.

Nautilus, I feel your pain, his animations are so damn slow.

Lets have shrex18 votes

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Wait you play Kench? Literally just stand on your adc and press w when you see his e animation, it's not hard lol.

Nautilus, I feel your pain, his animations are so damn slow.

Not everyone has Matrix reflexes, in this meta every squishy dies in less than a second

StpTlkinAnBndOvr9 votes

Im more surprised you actually have adc's

heroikc8 votes

...And? Anyone who can use Electrocute or has combo burst can do that.

The Bad Touch8 votes

Hell MF can too :P

item 3147 item 3095 with electrocute Auto Q Auto dead other adc.

Teridax688 votes

The problem isn't simply Wukong, but the items he buys. Wukong hasn't been one-shotting marksmen forever, it's only recently that things have gotten bad, and so because of the addition of Stormrazor. Wukong's most common builds now include Stormrazor and Duskblade, both of which front-load a ton of burst damage onto his autoattacks, which is why he gets to reliably burst down squishies from stealth. Duskblade alone was what caused Shaco to also turn into a squishy one-shot machine before then. As long as these items remain, AD champions with invisibility will never be healthy, because they'll get to itemize for upfront burst in addition to their uncounterable stealth. I don't quite understand why we needed yet another front-loaded burst item for AD champions, because what we needed for a long time was to have none of those at all.

Livin like Riven5 votes

Disclaimer: I do agree that he's a bit ridiculous in terms of what he can do in such a short window, but to say there's no counterplay is just ridiculous.

Some tips for playing against it:

Set up a vision line if you're pushing, and actually pay attention to the wards. On Kai'sa, if you've got at least a rageblade and stinger, you can 1v1 his Stormrazor Duskblade as long as you throw W when you see him stop moving(because he's W'ing, and your W gives you True sight.) Walk away from his minions so you guarantee isolated Q damage, hit q, immediately ult to the other side of where he's coming from at max distance. He'll automatically land the E Q on you mid ult dash, He'll whiff ult for a sec, and you can get an auto or two in followed by another Q and then another auto, and you can basically just outduel him even if he hits his ult. Nashor's and seekers are a must as your next items, though. Makes dealing with the fed Wu trivial, almost. I've won several games against heavily snowballing Wukongs by just negating his ability to kill me. The key is widening the window in which you have to react.

Jhin, just preemptively trap, then snare and run unless you're massively ahead, then buy tabi and just mess his day up kiting back with stormrazor/ghostblade speed.

Ezreal can buy tabi and/or IBG and kite him back just fine as well.

Draven wins every time if he E's Wukong's E, MF can make it rain and walk away, or set herself up for an easy lethality double up crit, so basically what I'm getting at here is a lot of currently good ADCs have counterplay to him on their own as long as they have vision. If you're supporting said ADCs, just give them vision and buy a locket and they'll be fine.

Also, if you're playing Tahm Kench, just eat your ADC, wukong wastes his stealth, Q him, walk away if you can't fight. Either Wu will engage on you, and you don't care because you're Tahm Kench, or he will wait for you to spit your ADC out, which gives you enough time to set your stun up on him and turn. If you can't get stacks to stun him because of his positioning, chances are you can escape just fine. Don't say there's no counterplay when you're just too lazy to think of it. Also, I like Tahm and Naut too, and I love Alistar. You could try giving him a shot, he completely demolishes Wu's chances of doing anything.

Edit: I like Tahm, I fucking LOVE Nautilus, just wanted to clarify because Nautilus outta this world

The Bad Touch4 votes

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At least on ARAM I can buy the thing that lets me see invisible stuff coming at us when they get close. I play tanks like kench and nautilus and there is no way possible to peel ofr the adc before he hits his combo on them or another one of our squishy teammates. How is this a healthy playstyle?

It's impossible to 1 shot an ADC every time. item 2419 item 3026

Also stop taking ignite and take summoner 3

Lots of ADC's can just outkite Wukong... If you can't build a damn item 3142 or have support grab item 3905

There are a ton of ways to get out of range and kite... but everyone wants to rush 2 crit items with T1 boots.

For example with MissFortune Without even taking items into consideration you can E max and just E W and walk away.

Nyarlathοtep12 votes

Lots of adc can outkite wukong? Are you high or something?

The Bad Touch4 votes

Are you stupid or something? Use your brain man, it ain't hard.

He can't strip CC, his e is his only gap closer, his only movement buff comes from his ulti.

If you and your support build for it... YES he's easy to kite.

Nyarlathοtep8 votes

An adc with supp yeah he can kite wukong. However, there arent alot of adc that can solo kite wukong.

The Bad Touch1 votes

There aren't a lot of solo lane adc's either.

Nyarlathοtep

And how is that relevant?

The Bad Touch1 votes

How is taking the support into consideration in a team based game as an ADC relevant?

Is that your question or where you making a joke?

I do believe I'd figured out your issue with Wukong.

Nyarlathοtep

But i never said that adc can go solo lane, apart one or two.

The Bad Touch1 votes

"An adc with supp yeah he can kite wukong. However, there arent alot of adc that can solo kite wukong."

Nyarlathοtep

You do know that around mid game, unless the adc has fallen behind, he can go solo and outkite wukong if he is kalista, vayne or lucian.

The Bad Touch1 votes

"Lots of adc can outkite wukong? Are you high or something?"

You seem confused.

The Bad Touch1 votes

"Lots of ADC's can just outkite Wukong... If you can't build a item 3142 damn or have support grabitem 3905 " Read that again bub.

(This was in response the post he deleted.)

You yourself, said that lots of adc can outkite wukong. Which is wrong. You seem confused.

Alex h87214 votes

Really its that they removed the damn counterplay from invis (control wards no longer revealing invis), and it makes all invis champs that much more of a pain in the ass to deal with.

The Bad Touch3 votes

Hint... he's coming straight at you after W or he ain't going to get to you... so you KNOW where he is.

taleofsonata4 votes

People wanted for wukong buffs, they got it. Community should be ashamed for asking buff on champions they don't even play.

iDarkWind3 votes

Making item 3147 and item 3095 as unique passives with the same name would probably help to fix the problem.

Daddy Ants4 votes

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Making item 3147 and item 3095 as unique passives with the same name would probably help to fix the problem.

Giving the items the item 3074 item 3748 treatment and only allowing players to have one or the other would fix a lot of problematic champions.

MonkeyKing MissFortune Nocturne for example.

saltran2 votes

I have bad news for you if you think that MF is strong for Stormrazor lol, is not even build usually on her.

big boi edri2 votes

Yeah i have bad news for you as well, Wukong doesn't build Dusk and Stormrazor.

Daddy Ants3 votes

"Almost no counterplay"

There is NO COUNTERPLAY.

His entire combo is fast and point and click.

Automated Riven2 votes

Pink war.....ohh. Wait.

Noor Sakata2 votes

Many champions can do that , in Wukong case , he builds full glass cannon , does that and died , while other assassins can do that a lot more

togapika2 votes

I'm more worried about the length of his ultimate then the invisibility

M00ndanc31 votes

Guess who is one of wukongs biggest counters.

hint: she recently got nerfed for being a hard counter for camille

hint: She can be played support, top and jungle

big boi edri1 votes

Thresh Alistar Janna Lulu Leona Nami

So many supports can completely cuck him it's not even funny. If you cant peel your ADC hes either out of position, you're out of position, or your warding sucks, or your reaction time sucks.

If you negate his E he's literally out of the fight. If he gets on top of you invisible due to poor warding, you stun him the moment he appears and he's fucked. Wu doesn't have a way out like Talon or Zed or other assassins. He either gets the kill or does nothing but roll over and die.

Warding and a half decent support counter Wu. That's a major reason you dont see him as often the higher you go. Supports stop sucking, and it gets much harder to pick anyone.

IRFodder2 votes

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Thresh Alistar Janna Lulu Leona Nami

So many supports can completely cuck him it's not even funny. If you cant peel your ADC hes either out of position, you're out of position, or your warding sucks, or your reaction time sucks.

If you negate his E he's literally out of the fight. If he gets on top of you invisible due to poor warding, you stun him the moment he appears and he's fucked. Wu doesn't have a way out like Talon or Zed or other assassins. He either gets the kill or does nothing but roll over and die.

Warding and a half decent support counter Wu. That's a major reason you dont see him as often the higher you go. Supports stop sucking, and it gets much harder to pick anyone.

Leona and Ali are terrible at stopping a Wukong, they try, they get knocked up and nothing gets done, sometimes you die too, I pretty much walk away if I dont see him coming beforehand.

The best of those is Jana and Lulu. Jana for the disengage and Lulu for the extra durability, if you have the time.

Also one that wasn't mentioned, my girl Poppy. Still a coin flip and a god like reaction time but ass if you don't see him coming. E gets interupted, R takes too long.

P.S. I buy and use a lot of wards, I would pink the entire map if I could. But sometimes it just isn't possible due to the flow of the situation a bad back could loose you a not insignificant amount of tower hp and leave you open to a 3-4 man push.

big boi edri1 votes

Alistar is one of the hardest counters to Wukong on that list. Leona is just as easy if you save your Q.

If poppy is in the game there is not point even playing wukong, he won't do anything.

IRFodder2 votes

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Alistar is one of the hardest counters to Wukong on that list. Leona is just as easy if you save your Q.

If poppy is in the game there is not point even playing wukong, he won't do anything.

Apparently, but from my experience I would never pick any of them unless I want to sit around twiddling my thumbs until his ult runs out.

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