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both have similar binary play patterns. If you're in their range, they go in and burst you with their point and click gapclosers. If they're fed, there's no counterplay to it, because of Shroud of Darkness and Decoy. This is very problematic for squishy carries.
Both of these spells are fine in an equal brawl, but it's just way too oppressive when they get fed, come out of nowhere and maul you, and you can't retaliate.
I kind of agree, but In my opinion Katarina and Akali are much much worse. Also AD carries need to learn to buy armor when there is a fed AD assassin.
Them and every other diver.
Can we also include every auto attacker to the list? Because damn there is just no way to counterplay auto attackers when they get in range of you. If they are fed they just one shot you and you can do nothing about it.
But seriously... wukong can easily be knocked away by a support when he goes in. If you have a stun then do that instead and one shot him since he used his decoy to get into range. (peeling being the reason adc's can actually build damage if they are not ezreal)
Nocturne is a bit the same but the spell shield can sometimes be problematic. That said it can be smited away and his cc is very delayed.
In all they both have counterplay and probabhly rank pretty low on a champion rework but they might recieve updates if riot every does a group update for the diver class.
