Which champs do you feel need to be next for VGUs next year?

Forhonor321··15 votes·2,021 views

Basic question that we have to keep coming back to every now and again as VGUs finish. With Swain coming relatively soon(ish), hopefully sometime around early-mid January, that means one spot is going to be opening up for VGUs with the other 4 (more info about that here: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/ViujrdbX-the-projects-for-every-designer-on-the-champions-team-for-2018-so-far )

Nevertheless, with that news in mind we now have to start theorizing and/or asking for which champions we want to see get updated next. And from my personal list:

  1. Nunu - Let's face it! He needs a VGU possibly above everyone else! Everyone says he's super bad this season and I think they have good points (not going to go over them here, go find them yourselves). He's also one of the few champs that's the oldest in the game and because of that it shows in both visuals and gameplay. He's just a bore to play in my case with no real damaging spells outside of his ult and fucking snowballs. I also don't get the fantasy of being a yeti rider. Most of the time I feel like I'm just the yeti instead with some kid on my back that occasionally throws snowballs.

  2. Pantheon - Pantheon I personally feel needs to be this high on my list simply because he doesn't feel well to play against. With the new runes, mainly with Manaflow Band and Aery, Pantheon has just become more oppressive in lane against. Yeah, I'm perfectly fine with him constantly pushing me out of lane with his spears with no consequence or counter as an all melee with no poke whatsoever. He's just super oppressive in lane with little counter to him except maybe somehow getting help from jungle and somehow surviving to out-scale him.

  3. Mordekaiser - And thus completes the new Holy Trinity. Mord's Juggernaut rework just outright failed. He became too oppressive as a melee bot laner, got nerfed back to going solo lane, which makes his new dragon ghost passive a bit pointless since he's usually so far away in top, and he's ridden with bugs all around. He's also had the problem of having his secondary shield health bar which in hindsight isn't that healthy to play against. Not to mention pizza feet still. He needs a proper rework to bring him in line with the rest of the juggernauts and just fix all the overall problems he has.

  4. Volibear - Let's face it, Voli is just bad at the moment. Nobody plays him enough to even get data on him (check na.op.gg if you don't believe). He doesn't feel that satisfying to play. He's just a champ made by Riot at the time to serve as the bear champ but doesn't feel that special. Q I rarely feel like I go faster towards enemies and has no slow resistance to try and catch them, W is tied to bonus health and doubles as an execute (one of my personal reasons why his power budget is in that), E is decent but ult is shit. It doesn't feel like an ultimate ability to say Darius or Karthus or anyone else that has an ultimate. It feels lackluster and boring and a basic ability if adjusted enough.

  5. Tryndamere - HE! NEEDS! TO BE! REWORKED! ENTIRELY! I despise Tryndamere! He's just not fun to play against or as. Riot talked about buffing him but I say no, he needs a VGU. All he ever does is split push, non-stop, and makes the game a 4v4 with you to babysit him if you can somehow fight him. Not to mention that he can passively get 35% crit from lvl 1, which many people have been bitching about crit for some time now. His ult is pretty much busted to be activated at any time, even in CC, or else he becomes useless. Everything about Tryndamere I just despise over and is the only one that I really have to push all others for to put him in my top 5.

------Runner ups------ Shaco Malphite Blitzcrank Leblanc Fiddlesticks Morgana Kayle Sona Jax

And try to remember this is just my list of choices. But what are your choices?

82 Comments

D357R0Y3R20 votes

Sona literally every arguments for a vgu can be applied to Sona

every single one: -lack of depth -lack of anything that separates a good sona and a bad sona -generalist -no counterplay -outdated kit -cannot be balanced across all elos -uninteresting to play, i won't change my mind and i think most people only play sona for her theme -speaking of theme, it's just so wasted Rhapsody uses this theme way better in Heroes of Newerth

please rework Sona...

Abibyama9 votes

Lack of depth you say hmmm and lack of seperation between good/bad Sona players you say, Unintresting you say hmmm

-probably CertainlyT

Potchikir2 votes

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Lack of depth of depth you say hmmm and lack of seperation between good/bad Sona players you say, Unintresting you say hmmm

-probably CertainlyT

nope

Sõna2 votes

Agree with you. Please rework Sona into better mechanism in gameplay.

Thilmer12 votes

Fiddlesticks - Out of meta for whole seasons, the team is completely ignoring him when they create ítems, mobility creep is making him useless because he auto-snares himself when using his main damage ability, and he is terrible in terms of aesthetics.

DrMundo - Really boring kit and playing style, a single ítem hard counters him, and he has the graphics of a Nintendo 64 games.

Sona - Stop doing useless changes in numbers and do a full rework to the girl.

Emerald Fang11 votes

MasterYi could use one. One dimensional champion, an unkillable nightmare for everyone below Plat and completely useless above. A middle ground would be nice.

Potchikir3 votes

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MasterYi could use one. One dimensional champion, an unkillable nightmare for everyone below Plat and completely useless above. A middle ground would be nice.

satisfying u can show off ur skill with well timed invisibility and only good at low elo because every plays muh damage champs instead of picking some cc

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

only good at low elo because every plays muh damage champs instead of picking some cc

No. Most they're pick meta champs as above... But picks isn't their issue

Potchikir1 votes

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No. Most they're pick meta champs as above... But picks isn't their issue

i am low elo and let me tell you no one plays tanks there never seen a sej when she was op rarely seen a cho gath when he was op they only play tanks when their support

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

i still think "ur" picks isn't ur issue. Even at plat playing full squishy isn't the cause of the loss most of time.

Potchikir1 votes

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i still think "ur" picks isn't ur issue. Even at plat playing full squishy isn't the cause of the loss most of time.

i think bronze players have decent mechanics and cs but personally i have no map awareness and literally dont know wtf i am doing or what i should be doing i think its the same case for most of the bronze players

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

don't worry its same for plat ^^

ChompyWulf7 votes

I don't care enough about Nunu or Panth, but badly want more viable Volibear and Mordekaiser to play.

The memelord Garen needs changed. Vayne needs to lose True Damage and gain some other way to be viable. Akali and Zed need their power reallocated so they aren't garbage without Ult and fury inducing murder machines with them.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

Akali and Zed need their power reallocated so they aren't garbage without Ult and fury inducing murder machines with them.

Akali need a big GU at least

ModJango Mage2 votes

I remember that they said before the assasin rework thats shes not getting much work, beacuse next year she will recieve a VGU alongside with Evelynn. HMMMMMMMMMM

An Enemy Sutando1 votes

If you think that Zed is garbage without his ult, you'd be partially correct.

But that doesn't mean he can't fight without it at all. He can still easily 100-0 squishies with his W-E-Q-W-AA combo. Him being worse with his ult on CD is an intended weakness and a window for his opponents to have a little more freedom.

ChompyWulf1 votes

My point is that before lvl 6 and Zed can get a nearly guaranteed kill, he basically sucks. Get a kill and start getting his build going, THEN he can start getting damage and kills on poorly protected or prepared squishies, but it still boils down to needing that Ult to get the gold to get his build on.

Daedric Etwahl6 votes

I would argue that Sona doesn't need a full VGU. She actually looks pretty good. I think a gameplay update would suffice while leaving her character intact.

Dead Anime Dad2 votes

Her character? You mean being a mute that plays an instrument well that still mentions summoners?

Daedric Etwahl3 votes

Sure she'snot as deep as many other champions but it's a character I've fallen in love with nonetheless. If Riot were to change her into anything remotely edgy, or needlessly serious, or dark, it would break my heart and ruin the champion for me.

Dead Anime Dad3 votes

I mean, I felt the same way with Galio and how he isn't a gargoyle anymore. But you have to admit, Sona's lore needs some kind of update if nothing else.

OniSeiji5 votes

Leona: Splash Art, In-game Model(?), and small passive change. Sona: Full. MonkeyKing Full.
Zilean In-Game Model. LeeSin In-Game Model.

Off the top of my Head

Salson4 votes

Good choices.

I'd like to add Garen MasterYi Nasus as GU candidates, as they could use the XinZhao treatment.

Onandaga1 votes

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Good choices.

I'd like to add Garen MasterYi Nasus as GU candidates, as they could use the XinZhao treatment.

Garen has been fine ever since that w buff imo. Just because a champion is mechanically simple and straightforward doesn't neccesarily mean they are bad and need a rework. Some people myself included just enjoy playing something simple and being able to put focus elsewhere in the game.

With Yi and Nasus I semi-agree, but I'd really hate them see them lose their identities with Yi being the ultimate risk-reward melee fighter and Nasus being an infinitely scaling Juggernaut. With Yi I'd like to see them merge his E with his Ult and give something else in place of his E. With Nasus, I really don't have any ideas. Maybe make his stacking more based around hitting and killing champs, idk.

Salson3 votes

Darius, Warwick, Lux, MissFortune Leona are all relatively simple champions. But they also have clear differences between good and bad players playing them.

Garen mostly needs a new passive, the current one is basically training wheels and is holding him back. Your Yi idea is good, E should be shifted to passive or R passive. New E should be some sort of a on-hit procking dash. Nasus, infinite stacking doesn't work in all levels of play. Keep it without conditioning it somehow like Veigar's and he will never be viable in high elo without stomping low elo.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

GAren and Nasus already receive some changes... But i really think they need a bigger GU. Garen cause he bring nothing. And Nasus cause he's a toxic champ (Imo), lane against this BS is like playing against times and since his last change its hard to shut him at his lv6 for no reason.

Salson1 votes

Well yeah, XinZhao and RekSai got class update level reworks. They and Aatrox are basically the Divers update.

Multiple Juggernauts like Nasus Garen Trundle have good and modern visuals but outdated kits.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

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Well yeah, XinZhao and RekSai got class update level reworks. They and Aatrox are basically the Divers update.

My bros !! (as MonkeyKing main)

Multiple Juggernauts like Nasus Garen Trundle have good and modern visuals but outdated kits.

totaly

Somebody Love Me4 votes

Akali We were told to expect a VGU a few years back, then it was put off. The assassin rework was a placeholder that out her in a weird place. She's not very interactive to play against, and not very interesting to play as unless you pop off. I main her, but after spamming Kat, I now see everyone's problems with her. She's a stat check on legs.

Sona Her current state is unacceptable. Her poke is only relevant as a support in lane, but now that's nerfed so hard, and she's squishy as hell, so it's not even worth attempting to trade or you'll get popped. She's outdated as fuck and has so much potential.

Mordekaiser Do I need to explain? Honestly, I'm sure if they fix his bugs, he'll be solid, but until then....

Tryndamere Another right click till it dies champ with no interactivity. RNG opop

MasterYi Same as Tryn

PokladnicaZla2 votes

Your list is pretty good actually.I agree with it,but some champions I'd like to add are Lulu ( she's too efficient at disabling engages) and Karma(RITO should finally decide if she's going to be a support or mage).The latter are only GUs.

Woodakoodashooda2 votes

Vayne Just to see her dumpstered by the "balance team" just like they did to Rengar.

Doozku4 votes

They are reverting Rengar's Q now tho.

Raid Boss Morde2 votes

Let's face it, Voli is just bad at the moment. Nobody plays him enough to even get data on him (check na.op.gg if you don't believe).

Volibear actually has a higher playrate than Skarner (0.7%), Ivern (0.8%), Nunu (1%), Mordekaiser (1.1%), and Aurelion Sol (also 1.1%). Just bear-ly though, with a 1.2% playrate.

LUXANNA HOSHIDO2 votes

Kayle and Morgana

Troll for Trump1 votes

Udyr His playstyle is still run really fast and rightclick statcheck you until you die. Also pizza feet. Aatrox self-explanatory Ryze Someday he'll be balanced.. Brand He's not weak, but his kit could be better or more thematic. He's on beginner player level of difficulty Annie Boring kit Karthus Outdated kit

WubbaLubbaDubDab1 votes

whats wrong with ryze?

Lauchmelder1 votes

The meme hasn't been satisfied this year.

Troll for Trump1 votes

He can't be good in soloQ without being really strong in organized play, people still gripe about the targeted snare.

Main issue is his current iteration can't be balanced effectively

WubbaLubbaDubDab1 votes

i rl like ryze ive played him a couple of times and he is fun and strong i dont know why his winrate is so low in the good hands this guy can do miracles but he needs lots of team communication for the great ults

Troll for Trump1 votes

Yeah, hence the organized play thing.

He can be busted

MuffledGarbage1 votes

DrMundo now this one seems weird but hear me out, Mundo has been league's "meatshield" tank for a while BUT the problem comes when the "meatshield" isn't actually able to shield anything thanks to damage being burst-oriented.

Sona her kit is nearly impossible to balance properly and it's vindicative of the "SMASH FACE TO KEYBOARD TO WIN" playstyle that riot SPECIFICALLY got rid of for the assassins.

Kayle +Morgana these two are the classic Foil characters of league. While Morg might be relatively okay, Kayle is in need of changes to stop her from being a giant "stat-stick".

AurelionSol Riot made a statement a couple months after A.Sol's release that he needs a rework due to him being "lackluster, strong in high elo only with no chance of low elo playing him, etc" It's been about a year since his release and I want some answers from riot tbh.

Akali is a stat-check who lane-bullies melee toplaners and then proceeds to outscale them until 50+ minutes in the game when everyone is full build AND EVEN THEN She's still stupidly useful.

MonkeyKing is a stat-check. When he's strong, enemy toplaners and junglers have no chance to win the game. When he's weak, Toplaners and junglers take a dump on his monkey-corpse.

AquariuSol2 votes

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AurelionSol Riot made a statement a couple months after A.Sol's release that he needs a rework due to him being "lackluster, strong in high elo only with no chance of low elo playing him, etc" It's been about a year since his release and I want some answers from riot tbh.

I think riot said they cancled the rework because it deleted a lot of his fun and uniqe aspects.

a little shadow1 votes

I think the next one after swain is gonna be Irelia then after that Pantheon.

However who I want to see get a VGU is AkaliVladimir Mordekaiser Kindred

WubbaLubbaDubDab1 votes

i think after irelia comes aatrox

Neamean2 votes

His is just gameplay update if I recall correctly.

Poske1 votes

------Runner ups------ Shaco Malphite Blitzcrank Leblanc Fiddlesticks Morgana Kayle Sona Jax

And try to remember this is just my list of choices. But what are your choices?

Why is le blanc on your list? Genuinly curious Other then le blanc being on your list your list is good

Forhonor3211 votes

Because from what I've seen most people aren't happy with her assassin rework and neither is Riot. And I can't quite recall so don't 100% take my word for it but I think Riot did talk about doing a proper full rework for her to fix out the problems.

Poske1 votes

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Because from what I've seen most people aren't happy with her assassin rework and neither is Riot. And I can't quite recall so don't 100% take my word for it but I think Riot did talk about doing a proper full rework for her to fix out the problems.

So you are hive minding? In what way people arent satisfied with le blanc?

Personal list yet le blanc is noted?

Poske1 votes

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Because from what I've seen most people aren't happy with her assassin rework and neither is Riot. And I can't quite recall so don't 100% take my word for it but I think Riot did talk about doing a proper full rework for her to fix out the problems.

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SO YOU PUT HER IN YOUR PERSONAL LIST BASED ON OTHER OPINIONS?

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Arcane Blue Boi1 votes

What happened to wukong and ahri?!

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