PSA to everyone complaining about QSS no longer removing Zed's Ult

D2Vincent··9 votes·2,014 views

For those of you who are complaining about how QSS/Scimitar is no longer going to remove the debuff of Zed's ult, I feel it necessary to point out that Riot has a reason to do this. They know that Zed is going to be played more because of it, and in a future patch, you can expect Zed's damage output to be nerfed a bit.

The reason why Riot is treating QSS/Scimitar is because they're trying to make it so ADC's have a reason to pick a different item over QSS/Scimitar just to deal with very few champs like Zed. Once the patch hits, yes Zed IS going to be not only strong and picked more (which I probably won't be happy about since I'm a Karthus main, but whatever), but after some time, Riot has stated that they are going to be adjusting champs like zed to compensate.

Quoted by Riot Repetoir

The reasoning for the change is pretty much that the cleanse offered by these items was able to functionally negate certain champions' ability to fight the owner of the item. As I'm sure many of you will be quick to point out, the game is balanced around the existence of this effect, and you're not wrong. That said, we think we can get the outliers here to a spot where they are healthy in the game where QSS/MS do not remove all debuffs, and instead only crowd control effects.

By outliers, I do mean the Zeds, Fioras, Trundles, and other problem children there are in light of this change. However, what this change allows us to do is create debuff-focused champions that don't have their kits completely negated with an item purchase and press of a button. With this change, there likely WILL be outliers, and if so, they WILL need to be addressed. The idea here is that we'd like to get to a point where the damage Zed deals with Death Mark (or any other champion with their debuff spell) is fair in the absence of strictly a hard counter item.

I dunno, I feel like with the complaints I've been seeing on Patch notes, I thought it'd be a good idea to bring this up so everyone's not all "OMG RITO IS FAVORITING ZED AGAIN BLABLABLABLA", but it's mostly so they can observe what's going on and adjust accordingly.

20 Comments

L Psy Kongroo3 votes

lol you're deluding yourself, Riot HAS never and WILL never nerf Zed.

And by "nerf" I mean actually decrease his power without giving him compensation buffs elsewhere.

ModWulf Helhammer3 votes

Except the compensation was already given by not having a useless ult late game.

M Dragon141 votes

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Except the compensation was already given by not having a useless ult late game.

Useless? I mean, he didn't even need his ult to one shot the carry, just get next to them and press Q E and auto and walk out. Thats all he needs to do. The QSS changes makes his mid game much, much easier.

Streeton1 votes

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lol you're deluding yourself, Riot HAS never and WILL never nerf Zed.

And by "nerf" I mean actually decrease his power without giving him compensation buffs elsewhere.

you forgot the time when riot nefed zed pretty hard, when they made his ult have a 1 second delay, which made him not viable for a couple of months.

Powderkegg3 votes

Obviously Zed and the other champs might get to touched to compensate for the qss change. The bigger problem is now that qss only cleanses hard cc, the skill cap for using it gets lowered by a lot which isn't good for the competitive side of the game

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

It's all CC, not just hard CC, so it will still cleanse slows

Nobody11111 votes

it cleanses all CC, and anything that has CC attached, like fizz ulti fish has a slow attached, and the new QSS still drops the fish

Drehirth2 votes

Lmao as if I'm going to let him get through the ban phase. we should start a petition to make not banning zed a reportable offense in fact at this point

D2Vincent4 votes

Unfortunately, I'm usually more inclined to auto-ban Fizz... cuz tbh I hate him more than Zed

Drehirth2 votes

good man

ForgiveColour2 votes

Or you know riot "balance" team actually listen to good suggestion for once and not those bronze 5 on pbe on big changes

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

No I don't think we c an expect Zed to be nerfed. He is one of Riot's favorite champions and they like seeing him played in every soloq game and also in competitive play from time to time.

Nekusen1 votes

Also, consider item 3140 is mostly use BY Zed to remove mages CC.

Edge of Daybreak1 votes

I love when the stupid people post that riot has never nerfed zed / wont nerf him when he got nerfed hard in a patch and dropped to a 42% winrate.

Icestar11861 votes

Agreed. Just wait for 6.10, everyone.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

i think in terms of assassinating someone zed and fizz are on the low risk side. unlike leblanc which has not just little risk but microscopic amount of risk. I mean need I say anything just look at pro play. team fight starts. you see lb killed the ad carry and the commentators didn't even see it happen on the screen.

fizz problem is his E and that he does a ridiculous amount of burst+sustained damage. damage amp is ridic. his scalings and base damages are both high.

lb is safety and both ratios cooldown for her abilities and damages.

zed problem is the fact that he can kill you despite being very far away from you. his W allows him to take some pretty weird paths to get to you.

i have to say rengar. even when he could insta gib you. can't go in a team fight kill someone and run away. he can't really do that. kha zix escape is somewhat situational. talon doesn't have much of an escape. same thing for eve.

i mean i dont even own fizz. i just played him when hes free. a yasuo. equally fed as me. I 1v1d him as if i was 5 levels above him. ult w+q -= dead yasuo. my E makes sure he can't knock me up.

PiVoRx1 votes

Yea, just watch LCSBIGPLAYS champ reciving "compensation" nerfs, his ult will probably get slower animation, or cd increased by 5 seconds.

SouL1ess1 votes

OR

We can make Zed's ult specifically not dispellable by QSS (With exceptions being done by Riot on MULTIPLE occasions)

And not nerf the item.

Leopards Ghost1 votes

I sona ulted Shyvana and it did nothing. Literally nothing.

Apparently Shyvana's ult negates Sona's ult.

Riot please address this.

Malix Farwin1 votes

I dont complain, i mean he is pretty much banned in every game ive been in and if he somehow gets through people usually. The Zed mains are the ones i feel bad for, they cant play him lol.

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