Why was the spell "cleanse" invented

Linda de Mol·Jul 27, 2019·1 votes·1,439 views

In summoners rift i literally only see people pick this to troll

24 Comments

ModThe DjinnJul 27, 20194 votes

Cleanse in low MMRs tends (I'm generalizing here -- exceptions exist) to be a sign of someone either trolling or trying to play like a high MMR player without necessarily having the timing and game sense to know precisely when to use it.

Cleanse in higher MMRs is a way to survive and counter high-priority CC that could otherwise cost an important champion their life. Picking Cleanse against ~~a Malzahar~~ (Oops! Forgot it doesn't work against Suppression. Thanks, guys!), for example, means your Vayne doesn't need to build Mercurial Scimitar -- or, if she does, she can also escape that Sejuani ultimate.

LauchmelderJul 27, 20191 votes

You can't cleanse Malz R unless they changed it in the few months I didn't play.

BeersteinJul 28, 20191 votes

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You can't cleanse Malz R unless they changed it in the few months I didn't play.

Last I checked you can cleanse the cc part but not cancel it without waking away. They may have changed that though. Before that you could cleanse it.

D CageJul 27, 20191 votes

You can't cleanse Malza ult.

KVbqbFsC8eJul 27, 20192 votes

You shouldn't troll like that, people will be more inclined to believe you because your name is purple.

ModThe DjinnJul 27, 20193 votes

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You shouldn't troll like that, people will be more inclined to believe you because your name is purple.

Wasn't a troll -- just a legitimate error. Thanks for the correction.

KVbqbFsC8eJul 27, 20192 votes

I remember Riot support did it once.

https://twitter.com/riotsupport/status/959135211861827588

DynikusJul 27, 20193 votes

Cleanse is good into zoe, annie, tf, or basically any cc heavy comp.

Linda de MolJul 27, 20191 votes

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Cleanse is good into zoe, annie, tf, or basically any cc heavy comp.

How come i never see people use it beside trolls ?

DynikusJul 27, 20195 votes

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How come i never see people use it beside trolls ?

Because you're in silver, where people don't really understand the game well enough to pick different summs based on their matchup.

KazekibaJul 27, 20192 votes

Proper use of cleanse requires good knowledge and near instant reaction. Below GM it wont be used good enough to matter

Luther King Jr VJul 28, 20191 votes

Because taking it over ignite will really hurt your early kill potential and the sum is trash with that long cooldown

Krispy CackJul 27, 20191 votes

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Cleanse is good into zoe, annie, tf, or basically any cc heavy comp.

Veigar

Darkdemon653Jul 27, 20192 votes

It was made back when getting out of a CC didn't mean getting put into 30 more within .5 milliseconds.

iiGazeiiJul 27, 20191 votes

There are niche champions/matchups where it's useful. For example, Zoe.

Luther King Jr VJul 28, 20191 votes

How? Cleanse has like 1-2 minutes cool down and Zoe bubble has 12 seconds..

iiGazeiiJul 28, 20191 votes

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How? Cleanse has like 1-2 minutes cool down and Zoe bubble has 12 seconds..

Because if you have a keyboard and mouse, Zoe shouldn't be landing her bubble every 12 seconds. You should be dodging most of them, and Cleanse lets you get out of the ones she does land without giving her a summoner she can throw right back at you.

Cleanse is great against CC-focused champs because they're looking to stun you and all-in you or use it to peel you off of them. If they land the stun and commit, you can Cleanse the stun and punish them for it. If you get a level or item lead and are looking to all-in them, you can just Cleanse their stun and continue to kill them without needing to worry about them turning.

It gives you both kill pressure and an escape against a champion that depends on a stun. It's situational, but it's very potent.

Luther King Jr VJul 28, 20191 votes

Zoe can steal the cleanse too She won't be landing every bubble but landing 2 or 3 bubbles in 3 minutes of cleanse cool down is feasible

And less kill potential makes it not worth taking in a serious game, just my opinion..

iiGazeiiJul 28, 20191 votes

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Zoe can steal the cleanse too She won't be landing every bubble but landing 2 or 3 bubbles in 3 minutes of cleanse cool down is feasible

And less kill potential makes it not worth taking in a serious game, just my opinion..

She can steal the Cleanse, but odds are that she'll get less value out of it than a Heal, Barrier, or Ignite.

Being able to get out of her stun is basically getting out of a kill. Barrier and Heal don't have that guarantee. Ignite is great for kill pressure, but Cleanse gives you the safety to be more aggressive and take ballsier trades because you know that her stun won't stop you. If you get behind, you aren't going to have many opportunities to go all-in with Ignite, while Cleanse would deny kills that keep her from getting further ahead or keep you from getting behind in the first place.

Cleanse is an insurance policy. Against a champion whose kit revolves around landing a stun, it's almost always useful, whereas Ignite only gives you kill pressure if you can actually take good trades and get them low enough to all-in. Cleanse can give you the confidence you need to push your advantage or the safety to not get combo'd and destroyed if you fall behind.

If you need Ignite to get kills, then by all means, take Ignite. But if you can play well enough to get kills without it, Cleanse offers more utility that you can use to dumpster a CC-heavy enemy.

Luther King Jr VJul 28, 20191 votes

I never said I can't get a kill without ignite lmao I usually never take i just said it's EASIER especially when you play an assassin mid it feels like a must

You say cc comps make cleanse useful but what comp doesn't have cc? Most champs have cc nowadays and not all of their cc is cleansable and even then the long cool down isn't too appealing

I think op is right tbh, cleanse and ghost are too weak summoner spells to be meta or people would be taking them more than rare situational matches, seriously they need changes or buffs to be more viable like giving cleanse a second charge or something, otherwise taking literally any other summoner spell feels more useful in most situations because they are simply better

iiGazeiiJul 28, 20191 votes

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I never said I can't get a kill without ignite lmao I usually never take i just said it's EASIER especially when you play an assassin mid it feels like a must

You say cc comps make cleanse useful but what comp doesn't have cc? Most champs have cc nowadays and not all of their cc is cleansable and even then the long cool down isn't too appealing

I think op is right tbh, cleanse and ghost are too weak summoner spells to be meta or people would be taking them more than rare situational matches, seriously they need changes or buffs to be more viable like giving cleanse a second charge or something, otherwise taking literally any other summoner spell feels more useful in most situations because they are simply better

Oh, I totally agree, in most situations, Ignite, Heal, and Barrier and straight-up the better choice. All I was saying was that there are a few situational matchups where Cleanse is better. OP was saying that it was NEVER a good choice.

DynikusJul 28, 20192 votes

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Zoe can steal the cleanse too She won't be landing every bubble but landing 2 or 3 bubbles in 3 minutes of cleanse cool down is feasible

And less kill potential makes it not worth taking in a serious game, just my opinion..

missing out on a kill but living > getting cc'd and killed yourself