Make Karthus ulti damage scale with how close they are

Tomosima·Feb 25, 2017·1 votes·1,743 views

Damage grows stronger the closer they are. Think about it karthus is the Lich King who lost his power on big distance as well ? Arthas ! The farther he was the power to control Sylvanas grew weaker

Reason why Karthus was nerfed mainly was PRO play there was no drawback to pressing R every time your team goes to gank a lane to make sure a kill happened. My suggestion is to give Karthus a bit lower cooldown on his ulti 200 sec is ridiculous.

If enemies are over 4500 distance the ulti does half damage 250 / 400 / 550 (+ 60% AP) --> 125 / 200 / 275 (+ 30% AP) But in return we can buff his CD 200 / 180 / 160 --> 130 / 120 / 110

20 Comments

MuffledGarbageFeb 25, 20173 votes

So I'm in midlane fighting a Yasuo... and I decide... "you know what yas is really low and my ult does more damage the closer he is... so I should ult him...

I am at half health.

I ult.

enemy midlaner melts me before the 3 second channel finishes or just walks away because at the range you propose the sweetspot for the ult to be safe and deal max damage will be within poking distance of all midlaners.

I am colorblind

ult is on cooldown now

but hey I get it back at lvl 6 at... 130... seconds...

TomosimaFeb 25, 20171 votes

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So I'm in midlane fighting a Yasuo... and I decide... "you know what yas is really low and my ult does more damage the closer he is... so I should ult him...

I am at half health.

I ult.

enemy midlaner melts me before the 3 second channel finishes or just walks away because at the range you propose the sweetspot for the ult to be safe and deal max damage will be within poking distance of all midlaners.

I am colorblind

ult is on cooldown now

but hey I get it back at lvl 6 at... 130... seconds...

Wtf you talking about? The ulti from Kathus that i proposed deals the normal damage if someone is in the 4500 range everything beyond is damaged lower, is that so hard to understand? 4500 range is plenty nobody can just walk away

MuffledGarbageFeb 25, 20171 votes

4500 range is roughly half Kled's ultimate range at level 6

That range is the perfect sweetspot in which a large majority of midlaners like to either poke or farm. They (assuming this change went though) would know about the damage reduction from range.

The enemy midlaner would either be able to melt you before you can safely ult, be able to walk away due to the ult taking 3 seconds to channel, and if the enemy midlaner has ANY CC they can use it on you and interrupt your ult.

6000 range would make more sense(if you were to go through with the outrageous damage reduction) because then the enemy midlaner has to worry about karthus.

Also you can't have the ult reduce in damage from a farther distance if you don't increase it for the enemy being a closer distance otherwise the attack makes no sense (think pushing a ball on carpet. The closer the ball is to your hand when you push it, the more energy the ball has)

So you also have to add on to karthus's ult change

If enemy is within 3000 units of karthus they take 300/450/600 + 100% of AP damage

Now if someone is dumb enough to actually fight you when you ult like this...

Then we'd still have people complaining about it.

and Karthus's stats don't support the change you want to make to him.

Karthus's state right now is at best average thanks to this meta of "DAAAAAMMMMMAAAAAAAGGGGGEEEEEEEE"

Ironically so Karthus's best part of his kit in this meta is his passive as it allows him to dominate teamfights by dying purposely and then giving the enemy team some "DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEE

TomosimaFeb 25, 20171 votes

Why are you taking numbers so seriously the general idea here is what matters for fucks sake

JoxcabFeb 25, 20174 votes

Because the general idea is stupid in the first place.

PoskeFeb 25, 20171 votes

Karthus was indirectly nerfed by 10 items

TomosimaFeb 25, 20171 votes

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Karthus was indirectly nerfed by 10 items

Thats why they should buff him back a bit

BeatzBoyFTWFeb 25, 20171 votes

Ok.

Then his ult range should be ~~global~~ as big as Pantheon's ult.

TomosimaFeb 25, 20171 votes

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Ok.

Then his ult range should be ~~global~~ as big as Pantheon's ult.

His ulti range is still global it just does different damage based on how far you are

BeatzBoyFTWFeb 25, 20171 votes

Then that "cd buff" needs to be removed.

TomosimaFeb 25, 20171 votes

Are you people this stupid?

BeatzBoyFTWFeb 25, 20172 votes

Three things why your balance is pure garbage:

The halved damage on his ult is literally a straight up nerf.
Your CD buff makes Karthus secures kills & damage more often, especially when it's global (hence why I suggested the Pantheon's ult range for him). It's just toxic af as it can now be spammable, no matter where the enemies are.
The only nerf he got after his Visual Update was just his W's slow having a decay, and he wasn't played THAT much in Pro-play.

TomosimaFeb 25, 20171 votes

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Three things why your balance is pure garbage:

The halved damage on his ult is literally a straight up nerf.

Your CD buff makes Karthus secures kills & damage more often, especially when it's global (hence why I suggested the Pantheon's ult range for him). It's just toxic af as it can now be spammable, no matter where the enemies are.

The only nerf he got after his Visual Update was just his W's slow having a decay, and he wasn't played THAT much in Pro-play.

Its a nerf when you ulti people across the map
The nerf makes it harder to secure kill each time the ulti is of CD meaning you need to get closer to deal the full damage
Karthus ulti is on a 3 minute cd which is ridiculous

JoxcabFeb 25, 20172 votes

The only stupid one here is you.

Handy Sandy Feb 25, 20171 votes

Ahem

No. While Karthus ult doesn't do much damage early, it does insane damage lategame (1100) It does have counterplay, and it's not like it's too weak right now since a good Karthus will just wait until his target's defensive abilities or item actives are down, possibly from a former teamfight. If you think Karthus is just an ult bot doing nothing the whole game except ulting to clean stuff up then you're playing him wrong. His ult's cooldown should be that long, due to the damage from it it's just not gonna be healthy if he can use it every what, like 60 seconds?

Also getting close to someone would just allow them to stop your channel...

TomosimaFeb 25, 20171 votes

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Ahem

No. While Karthus ult doesn't do much damage early, it does insane damage lategame (1100) It does have counterplay, and it's not like it's too weak right now since a good Karthus will just wait until his target's defensive abilities or item actives are down, possibly from a former teamfight. If you think Karthus is just an ult bot doing nothing the whole game except ulting to clean stuff up then you're playing him wrong. His ult's cooldown should be that long, due to the damage from it it's just not gonna be healthy if he can use it every what, like 60 seconds?

Also getting close to someone would just allow them to stop your channel...

4500 is the full damage effective range you dont have to be in someones face to ulti even tho it has synergy with his passive

Ambient SnowFeb 25, 20171 votes

There are so many items that Counter his ult. it doesn't need a nerf

TomosimaFeb 25, 20171 votes

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There are so many items that Counter his ult. it doesn't need a nerf

I consider it a buff not a nerf

JoxcabFeb 25, 20171 votes

Yes because you're delusional.

ShonjlFeb 25, 20171 votes

I don't think it would really make much a difference since other than in laning phase, he is generally suiciding then ult in teamfights anyways. So this would instead of being an interesting mechanic on a global ult into just a plain damage buff.

Not saying he doesn't deserve a buff, but that is besides the point.