I said.Sivir's waveclear is problem and Sivir is op sorry adc mains.Reduce her waveclear.No effort only one shot to minions and Sivir almost has all minion records.
Reality is this.Riot thinks Sivir's waveclear is normal also they think Viktor's waveclear is problem.Lol
We see.
Sivir's waveclear must be good but mustn't be extreme.
Oleandervine8 votesSivir is known for her wave clear- that's her niche over all other ADCs, that, and her ult. She's got some of the lowest poke potential of the ADCs due to mana costs and only having one offensive spell. If they strip her wave clear, she's almost literally left with nothing. Learn to play against her cripplingly short range and inability to poke reliably instead of getting salty and calling for a witch hunt.
blfUvZ8Ybu1 votesSivir is known for her wave clear- that's her niche over all other ADCs, that, and her ult. She's got some of the lowest poke potential of the ADCs due to mana costs and only having one offensive spell. If they strip her wave clear, she's almost literally left with nothing. Learn to play against her cripplingly short range and inability to poke reliably instead of getting salty and calling for a witch hunt.
Sivir is also known for her utility, her AOE damage, her spellshield, her ult ms?
Sivir has too much features.Sorry.Sivir is problem.Also her waveclear isn't good, it is extreme.
Also zero effort and only one shot to minions without effort.
Fondling Gems1 votesShe brings team utility. She does this by bringing an aoe movespeed buff and reliable waveclear. Her spell shield isn't what she is known for, it is just to add in the reliable part.
blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes[{quoted}](name=Fondling Gems,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=94yHIOUB,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-01T18:30:15.310+0000)
She brings team utility. She does this by bringing an aoe movespeed buff and reliable waveclear. Her spell shield isn't what she is known for, it is just to add in the reliable part.
Extreme waveclear and good waveclear.Difference meaning.Extreme waveclear is ridiculous I agree to good waveclear but I disagree extreme waveclear.
Fondling Gems2 votesIf a champion can't clear an entire wave (minus siege and in a few cases cannon minions) with one spell rotation then they don't have good waveclear. The fact that Sivir needs to both Q and aa 1-3 times means that she fits the norm for a waveclear champ.
Oleandervine5 votes[{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=94yHIOUB,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-07-01T18:27:21.593+0000)
Sivir is also known for her utility, her AOE damage, her spellshield, her ult ms?
Sivir has too much features.Sorry.Sivir is problem.Also her waveclear isn't good, it is extreme.
Also zero effort and only one shot to minions without effort.
Yes, she's an ADC known for utility. See how she needs to have something powerful going for her? She has to have a way to apply pressure to her lane because Q is too expensive and a necessity to poke with. If she can't apply pressure with phenomenonal wave clear, she has absolutely nothing and may as well be the support. She's balanced, you just can't pick random ADCs into her and expect to stomp. Short ranged ADCs like Vayne and Lucian will struggle against her because they need to be in her Richochet range to attack her. ADCs like Ashe or Caitlyn will force her to struggle on account of them severely outranging her and being able to farm safely away from her. Plus, if she clears to your tower, she's incredibly vulnerable to ganks. She can be dealt with, rather easily, you just need to not go in balls deep with whoever you want and actually consider what you need to counterpick her.
blfUvZ8Ybu1 votesYes, she's an ADC known for utility. See how she needs to have something powerful going for her? She has to have a way to apply pressure to her lane because Q is too expensive and a necessity to poke with. If she can't apply pressure with phenomenonal wave clear, she has absolutely nothing and may as well be the support. She's balanced, you just can't pick random ADCs into her and expect to stomp. Short ranged ADCs like Vayne and Lucian will struggle against her because they need to be in her Richochet range to attack her. ADCs like Ashe or Caitlyn will force her to struggle on account of them severely outranging her and being able to farm safely away from her. Plus, if she clears to your tower, she's incredibly vulnerable to ganks. She can be dealt with, rather easily, you just need to not go in balls deep with whoever you want and actually consider what you need to counterpick her.
Problem is blockade.You don't successful blockade against Sivir especially for late game.
Oleandervine3 votes[{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=94yHIOUB,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2016-07-01T18:35:01.204+0000)
Problem is blockade.You don't successful blockade against Sivir especially for late game.
You don't blockade really any champ late game. Veigar can clear a wave in one W. Zyra, with one Q. Caitlyn, with Q. Jinx, with her Q toggle rockets. Almost every other champion also has late game wave clear. So many champions have wave clear late game that it's unfair to claim Sivir is any better than anyone else.
blfUvZ8Ybu1 votesYou don't blockade really any champ late game. Veigar can clear a wave in one W. Zyra, with one Q. Caitlyn, with Q. Jinx, with her Q toggle rockets. Almost every other champion also has late game wave clear. So many champions have wave clear late game that it's unfair to claim Sivir is any better than anyone else.
Veigar's w has delay but Sivir's ricochets haven't delay or Veigar's w hits only 2 or 3 minions but Sivir's ricochets and w skill gives me cancer.Zyra can not clear one Q or Jinx's waveclear isn't extreme.
Good or extreme.Key words is this or that.
I agree good waveclear but I can not accept extreme waveclear.
Marshbouy3 votesjinxs waveclear is crazy.
blfUvZ8Ybu1 votesjinxs waveclear is crazy.
No.Jinx's waveclear is normal because she can not 1 shot to all minions.
Marshbouy2 votesyou are lying. Jinx's waveclear is just as crazy as sivirs.
blfUvZ8Ybu1 votesyou are lying. Jinx's waveclear is just as crazy as sivirs.
Why are you so salty kid again? Explain please salty Azir hater I never give up I struggle you.
Marshbouy2 votesdont even hate azir. I just recognize he is strong. I got mastery 6 today on him.
blfUvZ8Ybu1 votesdont even hate azir. I just recognize he is strong. I got mastery 6 today on him.
He is fine stay salty with your salty threads like morning thread.
Marshbouy2 votesagain, gibberish
Marshbouy2 votesim the salty one? ok mr troll.
Marshbouy2 votesi hate him so much i got him to mastery 6
Marshbouy2 voteshis waveclear is insane.
blfUvZ8Ybu1 voteshis waveclear is insane.
Azir's waveclear is normal Sivir's extreme.
blfUvZ8Ybu1 votesi hate him so much i got him to mastery 6
I saw your salty thread so shut up.Not convincing.
You want Azir nerf but you're Azir main.Lol.Bad lie again.
Marshbouy2 votesyou are such a troll i am absolutley done with you.
blfUvZ8Ybu1 votesyou are such a troll i am absolutley done with you.
Like you? Stay salty.Also you're salty but I'm not.
Marshbouy2 voteslets break down sivirs kit since shes sooo op passive. MS on hitting people with abilites/autos. pretty garbage most of the time outside of kiting. Q. long range low damage at early levels skillshot. hits multiple targets. Eh? W. Waveclear. Low damage early. E. Spellshield. This is one of her better abilities. Not much to say. R. Team wide MS increase.
what is so crazy about her?
blfUvZ8Ybu1 voteslets break down sivirs kit since shes sooo op passive. MS on hitting people with abilites/autos. pretty garbage most of the time outside of kiting. Q. long range low damage at early levels skillshot. hits multiple targets. Eh? W. Waveclear. Low damage early. E. Spellshield. This is one of her better abilities. Not much to say. R. Team wide MS increase.
what is so crazy about her?
Low damage early.That isn't excuse salty kid.Because all adc's early damage is low (except Draven)
Marshbouy2 votesand the vast majority of all ADCs have great late game waveclear,
blfUvZ8Ybu1 votesand the vast majority of all ADCs have great late game waveclear,
But Sivir's late game is monster.
Marshbouy1 votesveigar has great waveclear. zilean has great waveclear. Azir has great waveclear. jinx has good wavclear. varus has good waveclear. lucian has good waveclear. do you want me to continue?
blfUvZ8Ybu1 votesveigar has great waveclear. zilean has great waveclear. Azir has great waveclear. jinx has good wavclear. varus has good waveclear. lucian has good waveclear. do you want me to continue?
This champions haven't extreme waveclear like Sivir.Rekt and shut up.Don't say same nonse.
Meanwhile Zilean hasn't great waveclear stay your bad elo.
The Last Ballad2 votesYour arguments are comprised of a child's "IM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG! SO THERE!" please give actual points and evidence to prove your points or shut up. PLEASE!
Actual evidence would be formulated along the lines of
Sivir has the best wave clear out of all adc's, however, she also has the shortest range and least ways to do damage. Majority of the other adcs have a damaging ult, even if it is to cc people(looking at you 
). 3 adc champs do not have a damaging ult. Urgot(his is meant to place an enemy into your team, so that is utility into damage) Kindred(but they are meant to be in the jungle, so do they even count?) and Sivir (group wide ms boost). Lets look at the kits of these three, shall we?
Urgot: Passive decreases damage dealt by the enemy hit. Two damaging spells, one that makes the other lock on and can not miss, and a shield that makes his auto attacks slow.
Kindred: Passive gives free damage on auto attacks, but depends on killing jungle camps or enemy champs. 3 spells that do damage. One is a dash, one acts like independant auto attack with 1/2 damage, and a slow that does % max health after 3 hits.
Sivir: Passive gives small ms boost after attacking. 2 spells that do damage. 1st is a pass through skill shot with low damage that further decreases with each target hit. 2ed is a auto attack modifier that allows her aa's to bounce for 60-80% damage(and the bounces do not apply on hit effects, nor can they hit the same target twice), and a shield that only blocks one ability.
Sivir has the least useful kit in a fight, so her kit is more suited to split push, what with her spell shield and ult for getting away. And what do you need to split push? WAVE CLEAR. That is her niche. And because it is the thing she excels at, at the cost of ableness in other areas(like range or damage) she cannot this aspect of her kit nerfed so that it is more in line with the other adc's, because then she would have no reason to be picked. And as Riot is trying to give each champ a niche, the chances of them taking away a champions when there isn't another that conflicts with theirs(like how Lux, Xerath, and Ziggs were too similar, so they were changed to be different) is nil.
blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Last Ballad,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=94yHIOUB,comment-id=000000000002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-01T23:10:37.023+0000)
Your arguments are comprised of a child's "IM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG! SO THERE!" please give actual points and evidence to prove your points or shut up. PLEASE!
Actual evidence would be formulated along the lines of
Sivir has the best wave clear out of all adc's, however, she also has the shortest range and least ways to do damage. Majority of the other adcs have a damaging ult, even if it is to cc people(looking at you
Urgot: Passive decreases damage dealt by the enemy hit. Two damaging spells, one that makes the other lock on and can not miss, and a shield that makes his auto attacks slow.
Kindred: Passive gives free damage on auto attacks, but depends on killing jungle camps or enemy champs. 3 spells that do damage. One is a dash, one acts like independant auto attack with 1/2 damage, and a slow that does % max health after 3 hits.
Sivir: Passive gives small ms boost after attacking. 2 spells that do damage. 1st is a pass through skill shot with low damage that further decreases with each target hit. 2ed is a auto attack modifier that allows her aa's to bounce for 60-80% damage(and the bounces do not apply on hit effects, nor can they hit the same target twice), and a shield that only blocks one ability.
Sivir has the least useful kit in a fight, so her kit is more suited to split push, what with her spell shield and ult for getting away. And what do you need to split push? WAVE CLEAR. That is her niche. And because it is the thing she excels at, at the cost of ableness in other areas(like range or damage) she cannot this aspect of her kit nerfed so that it is more in line with the other adc's, because then she would have no reason to be picked. And as Riot is trying to give each champ a niche, the chances of them taking away a champions when there isn't another that conflicts with theirs(like how Lux, Xerath, and Ziggs were too similar, so they were changed to be different) is nil.
Because I explained true points so I'm right and competitive CS records are evidence.Enough for everyone.
Short range isn't problem because w skill!
Also Sivir's waveclear is broken.Fast and extreme!
Sivir's other skills don't interest me.My problem is her broken waveclear.I said.READ!
Riot nerfed Viktor's waveclear from same reasons while he had 46% win rate.Also their explanation was so absurd.
But they don't nerf Sivir's extreme waveclear.Sivir's waveclear is better than Viktor's.
Fine, good, extreme.
Sivir's waveclear is extreme and should be reduced.
Doctor Jarvis3 voteshttp://www.quotesfrenzy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Life-Love-Quotes-Oh-No-Not-You-Again.jpg
She's not even clearing waves that much better than her other bot lane counterparts. Her wave clear is really good, but without it what does she have? Utility. That's it. She has terrible dueling potential because her entire kit is devoted to wave clear and utility, which is a totally fair trade. Stop complaining about a champion that's not broken.
blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes[{quoted}](name=Doctor Jarvis,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=94yHIOUB,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-07-01T18:52:19.545+0000)
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She's not even clearing waves that much better than her other bot lane counterparts. Her wave clear is really good, but without it what does she have? Utility. That's it. She has terrible dueling potential because her entire kit is devoted to wave clear and utility, which is a totally fair trade. Stop complaining about a champion that's not broken.
You didn't understand you are ignoring some words.
Because Sivir waveclear is extreme.
Stop being salty.
Probably salty Adc main.
Doctor Jarvis2 votesAt this point I can't even tell if you're being serious.
Sivir does ONE thing. Kill waves of minions. She's barely capable of answering the question "Hey, what do I even do when I get to the end of this lane?" She's completely team reliant. Every champion makes trade-offs for their strengths, and Sivir's is any ability to put a game on her back in exchange for the safety of wave clearing.
blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes[{quoted}](name=Doctor Jarvis,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=94yHIOUB,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2016-07-01T18:59:00.212+0000)
At this point I can't even tell if you're being serious.
Sivir does ONE thing. Kill waves of minions. She's barely capable of answering the question "Hey, what do I even do when I get to the end of this lane?" She's completely team reliant. Every champion makes trade-offs for their strengths, and Sivir's is any ability to put a game on her back in exchange for the safety of wave clearing.
Sivir does a lot things.Kill minions without risk, ult starts teamfight, ult does engage, spellshield protects against many skills, her q has high range.
Her waveclear is wonderful so must be reduce like Viktor's waveclear.
Also Riot nerfed Viktor's waveclear from same reasons. Their context was strange.
Doctor Jarvis2 votes"ult start team fight" man, if I had a nickel for every time "Charge straight into the enemy team" wasn't the right call. "ult does engage" that's...sort of the same thing. "spellshield protects against many skills" Most skills, really. Once. And then, her follow up is to uh...keep auto attacking, I guess, because she does NOTHING else. "her q has high range" and abysmal damage. Its strong enough to make it worth the mana in team fights but really only shines wave clearing.
Viktor's nerfs were because he was an assassin/mage/minion-assassin, and Riot had to get rid of one of those things.
blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes[{quoted}](name=Doctor Jarvis,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=94yHIOUB,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-01T19:11:23.062+0000)
"ult start team fight" man, if I had a nickel for every time "Charge straight into the enemy team" wasn't the right call. "ult does engage" that's...sort of the same thing. "spellshield protects against many skills" Most skills, really. Once. And then, her follow up is to uh...keep auto attacking, I guess, because she does NOTHING else. "her q has high range" and abysmal damage. Its strong enough to make it worth the mana in team fights but really only shines wave clearing.
Viktor's nerfs were because he was an assassin/mage/minion-assassin, and Riot had to get rid of one of those things.
Viktor's last waveclear nerf was unnecessary.But Sivir's waveclear isn't problem to Riot.
Sivir's last w buff was unnecessary because they could give ult and q buff.Her w buff did extreme waveclear and Sivir's power boom is very early.Because her waveclear is so good and she can reach full build more early.
Oleandervine2 votes[{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=94yHIOUB,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-01T19:04:51.283+0000)
Sivir does a lot things.Kill minions without risk, ult starts teamfight, ult does engage, spellshield protects against many skills, her q has high range.
Her waveclear is wonderful so must be reduce like Viktor's waveclear.
Also Riot nerfed Viktor's waveclear from same reasons. Their context was strange.
Viktor's kit looks like this: Passive: Fancy Item Q: Burst, Shield, AA Modifier. W: AOE Slow/Stun E: Burst with more Burst. R: Mobile Damage AOE
Here's Sivir's Kit: Passive: Speed Q: Ranged Burst W: AA Modifier. Requires Nearby Enemies to work. E: Null Spell Shield R: Speed
The difference? Viktor has 3 massive damage dealing spells in his kit, and a crowd control tool. Being able to deal that much damage AND clear waves efficiently means he has too much power. Sivir, on the other hand, has 1 damage dealing spell and an attack Modifier that requires enemies to be nearby. The rest of her kit has no damage dealing ability. She relies nearly 90% on her auto attacks to deal damage. She doesn't have anywhere near the massive damage potential that Viktor has.
blfUvZ8Ybu1 votesViktor's kit looks like this: Passive: Fancy Item Q: Burst, Shield, AA Modifier. W: AOE Slow/Stun E: Burst with more Burst. R: Mobile Damage AOE
Here's Sivir's Kit: Passive: Speed Q: Ranged Burst W: AA Modifier. Requires Nearby Enemies to work. E: Null Spell Shield R: Speed
The difference? Viktor has 3 massive damage dealing spells in his kit, and a crowd control tool. Being able to deal that much damage AND clear waves efficiently means he has too much power. Sivir, on the other hand, has 1 damage dealing spell and an attack Modifier that requires enemies to be nearby. The rest of her kit has no damage dealing ability. She relies nearly 90% on her auto attacks to deal damage. She doesn't have anywhere near the massive damage potential that Viktor has.
Viktor Q isn't burst without Lich, W has small AOE slow and stun, E only burst, R isn't safe damage and only burst you can not say mobile damage
Sivir Pas Speed, Q ranged burst and waveclear, W AOE, crits, waveclear, hypercarry skill, E spell shield and blocking many skills, R speed and mobility
You must be fair against all champions.
Viktor has 1 utility skill, Sivir has 2 utility skill, Viktor isn't mobile Sivir is mobile with ulti (atleast enough for kite), Viktor's waveclear is strong, Sivir's waveclear is extreme, Viktor's waveclear isn't reliable like Sivir.Viktor hasn't spellshield and he doesn't block important skills (hook, stun etc.)
blfUvZ8Ybu1 votesViktor's kit looks like this: Passive: Fancy Item Q: Burst, Shield, AA Modifier. W: AOE Slow/Stun E: Burst with more Burst. R: Mobile Damage AOE
Here's Sivir's Kit: Passive: Speed Q: Ranged Burst W: AA Modifier. Requires Nearby Enemies to work. E: Null Spell Shield R: Speed
The difference? Viktor has 3 massive damage dealing spells in his kit, and a crowd control tool. Being able to deal that much damage AND clear waves efficiently means he has too much power. Sivir, on the other hand, has 1 damage dealing spell and an attack Modifier that requires enemies to be nearby. The rest of her kit has no damage dealing ability. She relies nearly 90% on her auto attacks to deal damage. She doesn't have anywhere near the massive damage potential that Viktor has.
Also Viktor's waveclear isn't fast like Sivir's.
The Last Ballad2 votesWHY ON EARTH CAN'T YOU PUT ALL YOUR ARGUMENTS ON ONE POST LIKE A NORMAL PERSON?! YOU AREN'T EVEN REPLYING TO SEPARATE POSTS!
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WHY ON EARTH CAN'T YOU PUT ALL YOUR ARGUMENTS ON ONE POST LIKE A NORMAL PERSON?! YOU AREN'T EVEN REPLYING TO SEPARATE POSTS!
Why are adc mains so salty?
Dehitay2 votesComplaining about Sivir's waveclear is like complaining about Xerath's range or Mundo's ability to tank. It's her defining characteristic. Which really isn't impressive considering how many different champions can also waveclear at rapid speeds. She just takes less aiming.
Btw, Sivir's utility is not even close to impressive. It's all limited to her ult which can easily be replaced by 1 of 2 purchaseable items. Seriously, I don't know why they don't put the damage buff back on her ult after they nerfed the ever living hell out of it. But Sivir is one of the weakest adcs right now. If you take away her waveclear, there is really no reason to choose her.
Also, what do you mean by blockade? That's a term describing a defensive strategy where you set up a bunch of crap to get in somebody's way so they can't press through. Considering minions just rush forward, they can't be used to blockade anything. Maybe a mix of Heimer turrets and Zyra plants I guess. Sivir's riccochet theoretically could clear through that all.
blfUvZ8Ybu1 votesComplaining about Sivir's waveclear is like complaining about Xerath's range or Mundo's ability to tank. It's her defining characteristic. Which really isn't impressive considering how many different champions can also waveclear at rapid speeds. She just takes less aiming.
Btw, Sivir's utility is not even close to impressive. It's all limited to her ult which can easily be replaced by 1 of 2 purchaseable items. Seriously, I don't know why they don't put the damage buff back on her ult after they nerfed the ever living hell out of it. But Sivir is one of the weakest adcs right now. If you take away her waveclear, there is really no reason to choose her.
Also, what do you mean by blockade? That's a term describing a defensive strategy where you set up a bunch of crap to get in somebody's way so they can't press through. Considering minions just rush forward, they can't be used to blockade anything. Maybe a mix of Heimer turrets and Zyra plants I guess. Sivir's riccochet theoretically could clear through that all.
Because Sivir's waveclear is extreme isn't good.EXTREME!
You didn't read other comments and you're still saying ordinary.Sivir can defend all minion wave alone.Absurdity.
I don't protest good waveclear but I protest extreme and fast waveclear.
Dehitay2 votes[{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=94yHIOUB,comment-id=00040001,timestamp=2016-07-01T19:57:38.864+0000)
Because Sivir's waveclear is extreme isn't good.EXTREME!
You didn't read other comments and you're still saying ordinary.Sivir can defend all minion wave alone.Absurdity.
I don't protest good waveclear but I protest extreme and fast waveclear.
Congrats, you just described everybody else who's good at waveclear including Ziggs, Anivia, Orianna, and Xerath just to name a few.
blfUvZ8Ybu1 votesCongrats, you just described everybody else who's good at waveclear including Ziggs, Anivia, Orianna, and Xerath just to name a few.
Orianna's waveclear isn't amazing but Sivir's? Also Xerath can not one shot to all minions.Learn champions.
The Last Ballad2 votesBUT YOU WERE DEFENDING VICTORS WAVECLEAR?! BE CONSISTENT PERSON!
Also, **SHE. IS. DESIGNED. TO. CLEAR. MINIONS. **
THAT IS HER POINT. THAT IS THE ENTIRE THING THAT SHE IS SUPPOSED TO SUCCEED BETTER THAN OTHERS.
You pick her if your team has horrible wave clear and someone must be able to kill off the minion horde at the top inhibitor turret.
One more thing, you are going to hate the new Ryze. Nearly instant wave clear from just e'ing a nearly dead minion and hitting one of the marked minions with a q to kill them all. Just watch the design video, they do it repeatedly.
blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Last Ballad,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=94yHIOUB,comment-id=000400010001,timestamp=2016-07-02T01:53:22.729+0000)
BUT YOU WERE DEFENDING VICTORS WAVECLEAR?! BE CONSISTENT PERSON!
Also, **SHE. IS. DESIGNED. TO. CLEAR. MINIONS. **
THAT IS HER POINT. THAT IS THE ENTIRE THING THAT SHE IS SUPPOSED TO SUCCEED BETTER THAN OTHERS.
You pick her if your team has horrible wave clear and someone must be able to kill off the minion horde at the top inhibitor turret.
One more thing, you are going to hate the new Ryze. Nearly instant wave clear from just e'ing a nearly dead minion and hitting one of the marked minions with a q to kill them all. Just watch the design video, they do it repeatedly.
I didn't defend Viktor's waveclear.Misread again.You read my comment firstly.Also she isn't designed.With last w buff her waveclear was extreme.That isn't her point.She already has a lot utility!!!!
SIVIR'S WAVECLEAR IS EXTREME AND NEEDS NERF!
Enraged Piglet2 votessivir is litterally a wave clear machine with an ult to give a speed boost there's really not much you can take away from her without reworking the entire champion. the reason being is that her Aoe is gained by sacraficing a lot of range and her single target damage is garbage compared to other adc's and though she has a small attack speed steroid in her lvl 6 passive it's really not that great compared to other adc's like tristinia who has longer range damage and burst and gap closer and knock back to keep her safe and to secure kills. Her spell shield is really good in lane but it is really almost impossible to use effectively in a teamfight since you have litterally vayne level of danger when walking up to a teamfight exept you don't have as much damage or stealth or gap closer so she has to have a spell shield to get into a fight and even then unless your careful it can be easy to bait or just run her down with your team and if you take her waveclear away she would literally have no purpose and she would loss every lane even harder then she does with most lanes already.
