Why is Kennen getting a compensation buff?

ExplodingFist66··19 votes·7,716 views

What the fuck? This champion is one of the biggest abominations of top lane, who thought this was a good idea? If you're going to rebuff Kennen for a nerf then there is no point in even changing him because ignoring him is all the best you guys at Riot can do for a broken champion.

Lightning Rush (E) attack speed increased from 30/40/50/60/70% to 40/50/60/70/80% Attack speed lowered from .69 to .625

Also, how long has protobelt been untouched? This item is way too fucking cheap for 2500 gold.

28 Comments

Metallikaiser10 votes

Because he doesn't cross the threshold for being op that they clearly laid out. He like Jayce is getting a change that is meant to make him worse in lane, but scale better so that he is less of a bully, and thus less frustrating to fight.

PaffWasTaken2 votes

What makes Kennen less frustrating to fight if they basically even it out by buffing one of his already way too oppressing abilities?

This isn't just a shift of power just like Jayce. they are just mentioning him in the patch notes with an useless nerf so they can brag in toplaners face saying "Well, don't say we never nerfed kennen lol".

after activating his E, the difference of attack speed is just 0.022 nerfed. Given this is one of Kennen's ability that he just spams every confrontation ever, he'll barely feel any difference in his power other than waveclearing, in which he already excelled way too much and is STILL not getting touched.

Dorans Pants9 votes

Riot is probably planning on getting rid of hashinshin and is hoping that the aneurysm he will get after hearing about kennen buffs will put him out of the misery that is toplane.

alfavhunter4 votes

Protobelt is fine, maybe the issue is you?

ExplodingFist668 votes

{quoted}

Protobelt is fine, maybe the issue is you?

Lol are you troll? It's a core item in most of champions' builds and its less gold than any other first item rush.

alfavhunter1 votes

{quoted}

Lol are you troll? It's a core item in most of champions' builds and its less gold than any other first item rush.

It also takes the spot of the hextech line, making you lose other options

Maybe the problem isn't proto belt but the other options being to expensive. After all they nerfed AD item gold costs constantly and other AP item gold costs, so maybe it's not that protobelt is to cheap, but riot made everything else to expensive.

General Esdeath 1 votes

{quoted}

It also takes the spot of the hextech line, making you lose other options

Maybe the problem isn't proto belt but the other options being to expensive. After all they nerfed AD item gold costs constantly and other AP item gold costs, so maybe it's not that protobelt is to cheap, but riot made everything else to expensive.

Oh damn, now I lose item 3146 on the champ I wasn't gonna build it on, and the other one that nobody gets unless they take glacial augmentation

Damn, I'm out of luck now :(

Darkdemon6534 votes

Those two changes combined are still a nerf. At no point will he attack faster than he does now.

PaffWasTaken2 votes

0.022 attack speed difference after getting out of E.

It really is an huge nerf if he attacks 2% slower than before after casting his go-to "oh shit" button /s

Sp33d Zer01 votes

Because we all know Kennen only ever autos when he hits his E

Darkdemon6532 votes

{quoted}

0.022 attack speed difference after getting out of E.

It really is an huge nerf if he attacks 2% slower than before after casting his go-to "oh shit" button /s

Yeah, I said it's a nerf.

To reiterate, when compared to equal items, buffs, masteries, etc., he will never be able to attack as fast as he does right now.

FSRER2 votes

Wow they really want attack speed kennen to be viable, don't they?

Sohleks2 votes

It's actually the opposite. Attack speed items scale from your base attack speed. So this actually nerfs many sources of attack speed bonuses on him. And the attack speed nerf actually moves him from just shy of the best base attack speed to the lowest base attack speed minus some like Caitlyn/Graves/Illaoi. Actually it seems like 1/3rd the champ list sits at 0.625 attack speed base. The extra bit after E just kinda puts it back to how it was for a split moment. This does nerf his harass/CS'ing and minion control in the form of pushing some, which I know would have certainly affected me playing Kennen if I was active, as I used to rune attack speed quints specifically (better than some crappy 15 ap).

It also affects the rate at which he can charge his W auto attack mark which is his most reliable marks for stun. Have W auto, and for maximum bologna, you either zone them from the lane entirely or press W spell right before it falls off, and by then you maybe have another W auto mark, which is the stun without having to land Q or E, which makes Q free to land, or just all in. Still, I don't think this fixes too much. Because AP Kennen does well in games with low durability champions (or meta), making his AOE more lethal than other times.

Maybe shorter stun mark duration might be necessary. It's 6 seconds now. And you can reset it with W press if you are going about for zoning and stun and don't just auto tap it.

[w auto] -> wait 5 second [W spell] -> (by second 10) either E into them or land Q or auto creeps for [2nd w auto] = stun + unload unused spells was my typical passive aggressive pattern. Minimizes counterplay yaay me

But actually the attack speed nerf really does hurt his ability to push reset and overall control the lane and trade a little bit. But it won't make his laning phase suddenly bad...

Sp33d Zer02 votes

I don't think you understand how big losing .65 Attack speed is. It effects every multiplier from building attack speed items

The thigh guy1 votes

Or maybe. Learn to actually play the matchup like everyone else? :/

ExplodingFist663 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9452tcEe,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-07-11T03:25:05.645+0000)

Or maybe. Learn to actually play the matchup like everyone else? :/

Sitting under tower and hoping for the best? You pretty much lose every trade, all he will do is Q you, empowered auto, and then zap you with W. You can't even trade him because he just runs away with E. Learning to play the matchup is more like begging your jungler to come.

alfavhunter1 votes

{quoted}

Sitting under tower and hoping for the best? You pretty much lose every trade, all he will do is Q you, empowered auto, and then zap you with W. You can't even trade him because he just runs away with E. Learning to play the matchup is more like begging your jungler to come.

Learn to count his auto attacks for the empowered one and play around it???

Oh but that requires brain cells I guess.

The thigh guy1 votes

{quoted}

Sitting under tower and hoping for the best? You pretty much lose every trade, all he will do is Q you, empowered auto, and then zap you with W. You can't even trade him because he just runs away with E. Learning to play the matchup is more like begging your jungler to come.

Sitting under tower and hoping for the best. Sounds like EVERY losing matchup in the game. Why should it be any different with kennen?

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9452tcEe,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-07-11T03:25:05.645+0000)

Or maybe. Learn to actually play the matchup like everyone else? :/

Laziest argument ever. If this was the case, then there's no need for Riot to make patch updates since everyone just needs to "learn" it.

Razelth1 votes

A bronze telling someone to learn the matchup is some of the funniest shit I've seen come from the boards.

The thigh guy1 votes

{quoted}

A bronze telling someone to learn the matchup is some of the funniest shit I've seen come from the boards.

Doesn’t have an argument. Points out than an account that doesn’t play ranked is bronze. Mkay dude.

Razelth1 votes

Its a comment. Not everything has to be an argument.

Negative winrate in Bronze even if its only 30 games is still pretty sad.

AlterMordred1 votes

Lightning rush needs its cooldown increased to the level that melee juggernauts have, i.e, Renektons dive and Darius's pull etc.

That would help alot ty

Xela Syab1 votes

Cause Riot hates Hashinshin.

Godlzahar1 votes

{quoted}

What the fuck? This champion is one of the biggest abominations of top lane, who thought this was a good idea? If you're going to rebuff Kennen for a nerf then there is no point in even changing him because ignoring him is all the best you guys at Riot can do for a broken champion.

Attack speed lowered from .69 to .625

Also, how long has protobelt been untouched? This item is way too fucking cheap for 2500 gold.

Kennen is nothing, have you ever fight zyra in top lane? absolutely cancer.

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

It's a fucking +10% AS on a temporary bonus when his attack speed is already being fucking lowered.

This isn't even a net benefit for him. He's literally going to attack slower than before no matter what happens.

Ackelope2 votes

yeah, the thing to understand here is that the base attack speed is in and of itself what determines the effectiveness of further attack speed boosts. By lowering his base attack speed, they're making the attack speed boost worse as well, which is presumably why they're adding the 10% buff to the attack speed post-E.

EDIT: i did a little bit of the math and, due to the lowered base attack speed, even with the 10% buff his attack speed will literally always be slower, even with the buffed attack speed increase. (unless I did it wrong in which case please feel free to point it out)

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

As far as I know, your math is right. There is absolutely no way he even breaks even on that. Any AS-based item makes the deficit between pre and post nerf even worse.

More from Gameplay

More by ExplodingFist66