can we have ap fizz back

Rustling Bush·Mar 6, 2015·8 votes·914 views

please riot, pretty please. this new fizz is much more cancerous. playing against one feels like a hopeless task

10 Comments

JunkοMar 6, 20152 votes

Riot didn't want Fizz to miss his ult and still be able to 100-0 with his other abilities. So they made him miss his ult and 100-0 with 2-3 AAs instead.

So nothing changed.

Please bring AP Fizz back, i can't stand playing the new AD Fizz, it's so cheap and i don't feel like i'm playing an assassin anymore.

slippykittenMar 6, 20151 votes

You don't understand what you ask. If they revert changes and buff ap, then you will just have both since people have seen the light of ad fizz.

Rustling BushMar 6, 20151 votes

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You don't understand what you ask. If they revert changes and buff ap, then you will just have both since people have seen the light of ad fizz.

i thought their was changes to his w which made ad fizz come about

Lord DusteonMar 6, 20151 votes

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i thought their was changes to his w which made ad fizz come about

AD Fizz had been an off build, but after the heavy nerfs to AP Fizz and the changing of W to an onhit %missing hp AD Fizz became the much better option.

KingsgraveMar 6, 20152 votes

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AD Fizz had been an off build, but after the heavy nerfs to AP Fizz and the changing of W to an onhit %missing hp AD Fizz became the much better option.

HIs Ult also amps all damage he deals, including Botrk/Devourer/Autos/Physical and Magical damage

LilxPaprikaMar 6, 20151 votes

they need to fix hybrid items. i mean gunblade is hardly ever used. you'd think giving fizz an otherwise full ap champ some ad on hit that gunblade would be made for him. gunblade hardly seen in this game makes me sad. its like as soon as u decide okay ad works they go all the way ad.

DJ Di0Mar 6, 20151 votes

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they need to fix hybrid items. i mean gunblade is hardly ever used. you'd think giving fizz an otherwise full ap champ some ad on hit that gunblade would be made for him. gunblade hardly seen in this game makes me sad. its like as soon as u decide okay ad works they go all the way ad.

Probably Akali's fault.

The reason Spell Vamp and hybrid items are in this state is because champions like Vlad and Akali would annihilate anything that looks at them funny while drain tanking damage like no tomorrow.

BluePolarizerMar 6, 20151 votes

AD Fizz isn't that bad though?

His DPS is inferior to Jax, Irelia and Xin, the other 3 autoattacking bruisers. He has weak CC (skillshot ult knockup) compared to theirs (normal skill stun/knockup). His waveclear and camp clear are inferior to them. His only advantage over them is he can wall jump with no conditions (Xin has to ward a monster camp then E, Jax has to ward jump, Irelia can't do anything).

AltricadMar 6, 20151 votes

The QQ is real......

I'd take AD fizz anyday over the OP champion that has become a saying

That's right, I'm talking about Irelia

At least for fizz you can build mr/armor to counter his damage. Irelia is un-itemisable with DAT true damage.

And I'll keep posting this as many times as needed... you guys brought this on yourself

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/wL7plceO-why-is-fizz-allowed-to-exist-the-way-he-does-do-we-need-to-sign-a-petition-to-nerf-him

P.S. I was one of those people that said fizz was fine

PartholonianMar 7, 20151 votes

Any onhit can be itemized against with AS reducers - item 3110 item 3143 And true damage that isn't %HP can be itemized against with health and health regen - item 3083 is the best but there are many others

Plus, of course, the true damage is only a minor part of her total damage; those same items are also good against her autoattacks and physical abilities.