@Riot; In regards to Karma shielding minions, use the Lulu/Lee Sin minion-shielding changes instead.

Julanus·7/15/2016, 8:45:52 PM·9 votes·1,121 views

Back in Patch 4.5, Lulu's Shield was changed to no longer grant the shield to minions. However, Lulu can still target minions, preserving her ability to use minions for vision and as a reference point for her Glitterlance.

Even further back in Patch 3.15, Lee Sin's ability to shield minions (and wards) was removed while preserving his ability to minion/ward hop.

Riot is now planning to remove the ability to target minions with shields, and it will remove 4 potential uses.

  1. Denying CS from the enemy laner by applying a shield.
  2. Extending the life of a minion when attacking turrets by applying a shield.
  3. Using a minion as the center-point to hit a group of allies with Mantra-Shield.
  4. Pushing a wave slightly farther ahead by applying a movement speed buff.

Points 1 and 2 are the primary abuse cases for minion-targeted shielding. I can understand the reasoning behind removing these. These are also the only two points that specifically use the intention of shielding the targeted minion itself.

Point 3 is a useful tool at Karma's disposal, using the minion as a reference point to shield allies. I disagree that this is only a "niche" use, and feel this should not be removed.

Point 4 is.. something I'll do when running down a lane, usually so I can get part of a wave and some extra vision into a lane more quickly. This, I would qualify as "niche".


Proposed Alternative

I wish to propose the same type of changes made for Lulu and Lee Sin to apply to Karma's Shield.

Remove the Shield granted to minions, only applying the movement speed buff to minions.

This would remove the abuse cases of denying CS and prolonging turret attacks, while preserving Karma's ability to use a minion as a reference point for Mantra + E. Also, the wave pushing thing that I'm probably the only person that does it.

7 Comments

IxtaliKing7/15/2016, 10:09:49 PM5 votes

To be honest I feel as if they should have left her minion shielding capabilites until they reworked her, because now she's left with nothing. They put a nail in the coffin of her theme/identity when they homogenised her Mantra, and now they are directly attacking her gameplay. Same old story though, particularly when it comes to Karma, they don't give a shit.

Edit: Also, talking about cs denial, Yasuo can push you to your tower and then windwall so you can't farm at all. But we're not happy with Karma spending some mana and her defensive/mobility spell to block one cs... Rammus ok.

Masala Chai7/16/2016, 1:53:12 AM2 votes

Well, excuse me.

Yasuo can deny farm just as well as Karma, if not better with his bloomin' windwall.

Let them shield the little minions.

Weirdpersonx7/26/2016, 2:58:31 PM1 votes

What I just don't get it how this got through even the PBE. Either they're all Karma-hating a-holes, or Rito is ignoring their PBE team. Either way, WTF RITO?