PBE - How to remove armor from the game

Subject 5··1 votes·687 views

item 3035 The new item Mortal reminder, black cleaver, new masters and penetration runes.

30% penetration from new last whisper 40% penetration from Mortal 9% or more with penetration runes

= 79% armor penetrated

Black cleaver X6 = 30% armor reduction

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X2 phantom with a IE to finish it off, most ADC's will benefit from the movespeed and will also likely have 40% CDR. Use the percent movespeed as boots and IE for the extra damage. IMO, This needs to be fixed. I would also like to mention to the boards the boards that IMO stands for in my opinion.

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Solash5 votes

Keep in mind that Last Whisper only penetrates BONUS armor now.

redniwediS1 votes

I see you don't have PBE Access... One Phantom Dancer with either a Static Shiv, a Rapid Firecannon, or both is far better than two Phantom Dancers.

ExHentai1 votes

That's not how armor reduction/penetration and unique named passives work.

Subject 51 votes

Must be a bug considering I am in a PBE game right now, also I tried it out in bots with a friend and it worked.

Illâoi Evê Siôn1 votes

Last Whisper is a UNIQUE Passive:

  • 40% BONUS Armor Pen from a Last Whisper item
  • 10 from Maw of Malmortius
  • 20 from Youmuu's
  • up to 30% Armor DECREASE from Black Cleaver
  • 7% TOTAL Armor Pen from Masteries
  • X from Runes

Riven, I assume, would buy all of this. Let's take a Tank with 90 base Armor and 210 bonus Armor (300 total):

  • Black Cleaver reduces armor to 210 (63 base + 147 bonus)
  • Pen 14,7 from Masteries
  • Pen 30 from Items
  • Pen 58.8 from Last Whisper
  • Total: 103.5 Pen
  • 210 -- 103.5 = 106.5 Armor against Riven after she has applied all Black Cleaver stacks
  • This reduces her damage by 51.6%

##And now?

  • 35% total Armor Pen from Last Whisper
  • +4% from Masteries
  • 20 from Youmuu's
  • up to 30% Armor DECREASE from Black Cleaver
  • X from Runes

Tank has 300 Armor, base and bonus are irrelevant

  • Black Cleaver reduces Armor to 210
  • Pen 20 from Youmuu's
  • Pen 117 from 39% Armor Pen
  • 210 - 137 = 73 Armor against Riven after she has applied all Black Cleaver stacks

#ERMAHGAWD Riven does more damage NOW !

##Let's try this on Marksmen, shall we?

Marksman has 91 Armor (82 base and 9 bonus):

  • Black Cleaver reduces armor to 63.7 (57.4 base + 6.3 bonus)
  • Pen 4.46 from Masteries
  • Pen 30 from Items
  • Pen 2.52 from Last Whisper
  • Total: 36.98 Pen
  • 63.7 -- 36.98 = 26.72 Armor against Riven after she has applied all Black Cleaver stacks
  • This reduces her damage by 21%

##And Now?

  • Black Cleaver reduces Armor to 63.7
  • Pen 20 from Youmuu's
  • Pen 28.84 from 39% Armor Pen
  • 63.7 -- 48.84 = 14.16 Armor against Riven after she has applied all Black Cleaver stacks

#Conclusion: This is at the very least a nerf against late game damage dealers. So flame about that instead of just assuming everything is OP.

Subject 51 votes

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Last Whisper is a UNIQUE Passive:

  • 40% BONUS Armor Pen from a Last Whisper item
  • 10 from Maw of Malmortius
  • 20 from Youmuu's
  • up to 30% Armor DECREASE from Black Cleaver
  • 7% TOTAL Armor Pen from Masteries
  • X from Runes

Riven, I assume, would buy all of this. Let's take a Tank with 90 base Armor and 210 bonus Armor (300 total):

  • Black Cleaver reduces armor to 210 (63 base + 147 bonus)
  • Pen 14,7 from Masteries
  • Pen 30 from Items
  • Pen 58.8 from Last Whisper
  • Total: 103.5 Pen
  • 210 -- 103.5 = 106.5 Armor against Riven after she has applied all Black Cleaver stacks
  • This reduces her damage by 51.6%

##And now?

  • 35% total Armor Pen from Last Whisper
  • +4% from Masteries
  • 20 from Youmuu's
  • up to 30% Armor DECREASE from Black Cleaver
  • X from Runes

Tank has 300 Armor, base and bonus are irrelevant

  • Black Cleaver reduces Armor to 210
  • Pen 20 from Youmuu's
  • Pen 117 from 39% Armor Pen
  • 210 - 137 = 73 Armor against Riven after she has applied all Black Cleaver stacks

#ERMAHGAWD Riven does more damage NOW !

##Let's try this on Marksmen, shall we?

Marksman has 91 Armor (82 base and 9 bonus):

  • Black Cleaver reduces armor to 63.7 (57.4 base + 6.3 bonus)
  • Pen 4.46 from Masteries
  • Pen 30 from Items
  • Pen 2.52 from Last Whisper
  • Total: 36.98 Pen
  • 63.7 -- 36.98 = 26.72 Armor against Riven after she has applied all Black Cleaver stacks
  • This reduces her damage by 21%

##And Now?

  • Black Cleaver reduces Armor to 63.7
  • Pen 20 from Youmuu's
  • Pen 28.84 from 39% Armor Pen
  • 63.7 -- 48.84 = 14.16 Armor against Riven after she has applied all Black Cleaver stacks

#Conclusion: This is at the very least a nerf against late game damage dealers. So flame about that instead of just assuming everything is OP.

. . . Flame? OP? I feel like you took this post as if I was attacking you in someway, put the shotgun down and your pitchfork away, seriously. If this works in BOTS on the PBE then that MEANS that this must be a BUG. Considering the person I used the test on was caitlin who had a long list of bugs to report like her passive only working once a game and what not. If you think that is a nerf to late game dealers, then wow. Uhm, I guess that is your opinion?

Illâoi Evê Siôn1 votes

You nowhere stated that this is a bug that is actually working on the PBE, as UNIQUE Passives should not stack together. Because of that missing information, I just assumed this was another one of the sea of uninformed flame threads, that dislikes change and everything Riot does.
Not that I'm a Riot fanboy (though I am), but because of these threads it's hard for constructive and important feedback (which could avert OP, UP, broken, bugged, etc. champions getting to live servers) to reach Riot.
What do you think they want to do when the whole front page is full of flame threads?
Anyhow, sorry if I personally attacked you.
Please do add that it is a bug to your main thread.
P.s.: Armor Pen is getting nerfed is all I wanted to say.

Subject 51 votes

"Must be a bug considering I am in a PBE game right now, also I tried it out in bots with a friend and it worked."

I won't take the time to read your post if you won't read mine.

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