Can We Buff The MONKEY?

XElite109··3 votes·1,377 views

Alright so with all the new cheese Strats and bullshit coming out on rift that makes games end it 20 minutes or lessI feel my dude wu is just brutally weak compared to these high tier champs that just curb stomp. wu's early game is shit..just absolute garbage you need to snow ball really hard to effectively win games like yi but more often then not you'll just get hard denied in lane by a Darius, Mundo, Singed, Irelia, Vlad, Gangplank, Poppy, Rennekton, Garen, Malphite, Nasus, illaoi, Pantheon .. honestly the list goes on and his late to mid power at even levels is abysmal (with similar builds most champs can dish out 1k more overall dmg from a rotation). Now because wu can hard carry if ahead it'd be pretty bad to make him stronger then all these guys in the early phase but the fact is wu needs more power cause champs like Vlad just have it too easy with both a strong laning phase,poke, and sustain and strong mid to late with ridiculous dive and survivability. so lets give the monkey god some love and toss him a banana! Don't let him famine let him feast. Give him a nice big old buff to his lvl 6 ultimate that way I won't feel like contemplating killing myself every night. make his ultimate 80 base dmg at 6 that way its the same as an auto a second instead of an auto attack every 4 seconds... [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

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ankoanko193 votes

i'm not sure if this post is ironic or not since you say Wus early is garbage and yet list in Irelia, Nasus and Malphite as good laners.

XElite1091 votes

you ever fought a lvl 6 irelia...your point is your not winning and she outscales you big. was mana is shit and his ultimate is too weak.

ankoanko191 votes

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you ever fought a lvl 6 irelia...your point is your not winning and she outscales you big. was mana is shit and his ultimate is too weak.

His ult is as gamebreaking as Irelias, if not more since it knocks up champs and deals a ludicrous amount of dmg while Irelias only slows and perhaps disarms. I get it, Irelia builds tanky and does more dmg than Wu who only builds full ad. luckily enough she is getting nerfed and thus Wukong getting indirectly buffed.

XElite1091 votes

look I don't mean to change all his ratios on his ultimate but his lvl 6 ultimate is really under powered atm. its a 110 scaling ad ratio and 20 base ad. The problem is though at 6 your only getting a Tiamat at best and if your getting fighting a later who can easily deny you form minions your done. its every second the dmg registers and because its so low early your at best hitting 120 per second with ultimate. and since you're never getting the full 4 seconds its really no different then slapping an ignite with a small 1 second cc which you can flash away from and since wu has very little mana you'll live. irelia on the other hand can dps way harder then this. By landing her stun she's able to q and sheen reset 3 times with you being unable to get away. so about 70 extra on each q which will be doing 50 base +70% of her ad so 52 extra. and her ultimate does 125 and gives a q reset. its a very big deal man. just between q and ultimate you your ass being able to do free auto after you did 125+170+75=370 in under a second. while for wu to do that you need to be in there for 6 second and cannot activate anything while in ultimate less you break it.

XElite1091 votes

and I didn't even include fervor stacks...

XElite1091 votes

look malachite ability to stack armor early makes him great vs wu because wu's not able to deal with tanks despite his armor pen so a sustain tank or a wall thats too big for hoim to crush will poke him out of lane or steamroll him

PhDs Nuts1 votes

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look malachite ability to stack armor early makes him great vs wu because wu's not able to deal with tanks despite his armor pen so a sustain tank or a wall thats too big for hoim to crush will poke him out of lane or steamroll him

If Malphite is poking Wukong out of lane it's because he's maxing Q and probably took Comet, which means he isn't tanky early game. It also means Malphite will go OOM pretty quickly, so Doran's Shield + Second Wind are your friend. Wukong isn't supposed to beat Malphite anyway.

FireDrizzle2 votes

The buff I would like on Wu is 100% mana return on csing a minion with Q.

XElite1091 votes

That would be great but he wouldn't get much of a power spike from doing that and there are ways to work around it like biscuit and mana crystal. wu's lvl 6 isn't strong enough vs the other champions. The only good thing about it is the cc but it lacks an insane amount of base dmg.

Its All Skillzz2 votes

How about no, ive had it with the stealth one shots that are point an click with 0 counterplay. no fucking thank you. id rather see him nerfed.

XElite1091 votes

bro so many other champs can easily burst your ass with little counter play. wu's combo is dirty compared to them. wu needs to w e aa q aa hydra aa to garuntee you die that takes about a second so flashing can easily disrupt but champions like Renegar and eve can delete you out right reneger with his r and qq and eve with her charm q ult. talon just r w q and you die. Way too many champs have it easy with that and as I already dressed he needs power in his lvl 6 everything else is fine and would make him too strong other wise.

PhDs Nuts1 votes

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bro so many other champs can easily burst your ass with little counter play. wu's combo is dirty compared to them. wu needs to w e aa q aa hydra aa to garuntee you die that takes about a second so flashing can easily disrupt but champions like Renegar and eve can delete you out right reneger with his r and qq and eve with her charm q ult. talon just r w q and you die. Way too many champs have it easy with that and as I already dressed he needs power in his lvl 6 everything else is fine and would make him too strong other wise.

All of the champions you listed would be garbage and do no damage if they rushed Hydra, just like Wukong. Stop rushing Hydra. That's literally the only thing you need to fix. Get armor pen (or magic), just like literally every AD (or AP) champion you listed.

Wukong only needs to E, AA, Q to kill squishies with Electrocute. Maybe he needs to ult to do the last 200 HP if he's behind without Ignite. I'm not making this up. I literally played Wukong yesterday and was behind.

PhDs Nuts2 votes

It isn't season 5 anymore. Tiamat rush on Wukong isn't the strongest build path. It's much better to get a Serrated Dirk for armor pen first, which resolves all your issues about his damage.

This is like saying Renekton needs buffs because Caulfield's Warhammer doesn't give him enough stats when rushing Essence Reaver.

XElite1091 votes

Dude I never once complained about the items being his problem and the dmg output on Tiamat is just higher for the gold. auto attack reset plus tiamat does more dmg then the seated dirks 40 dmg which is only active after killing a unit and has a 30 second cd.

XElite1091 votes

as for Ren the Warhammer is a decent path for him since cool downs are one of the things Renekton suffers with and ad give him a great buff to base and empowered stats therefore your argument has no validation behind it...

PhDs Nuts1 votes

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as for Ren the Warhammer is a decent path for him since cool downs are one of the things Renekton suffers with and ad give him a great buff to base and empowered stats therefore your argument has no validation behind it...

He gets the same CDR from Black Cleaver, which is a much better item to rush after Tiamat for Renekton, because he's better than Wukong in long fights since his ult needs time to build Fury, which also gives time to stack the armor shred. Cleaver also makes you tankier than Reaver. So yes, my argument is valid.

XElite1091 votes

Alright I see your point but the two items got there own perks when completed essence abuses his 3 hits while while clever gives him movement and over time power. but between the 2 items he's building the 1200 you invest into the first item will be stronger then the other.

PhDs Nuts1 votes

Try rushing armor pen/Duskblade first instead of a Ravenous Hydra. Wukong is insanely strong right now, and he has one of the strongest level 1-2s.

XElite1091 votes

Yea if the champion is squishy but honestly how many squishies go top besides riven. unless your playing mid trying to stomp the laner there your not gonna have too great a time nor too big a window vs the top laner.

Malix Farwin1 votes

If you think Wukong is weak right now, i think that is a personal issue.

PhDs Nuts1 votes

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Dude I never once complained about the items being his problem and the dmg output on Tiamat is just higher for the gold. auto attack reset plus tiamat does more dmg then the seated dirks 40 dmg which is only active after killing a unit and has a 30 second cd.

No, you complained about his damage, which is 100% tied to the items you build when you're trying to be an assassin. The damage output isn't higher with Hydra, and Tiamat doesn't have an AA reset. Neither does Ravenous Hydra. You literally made this thread complaining about not doing enough damage, but you think your build does more damage.

You do you, man. Wukong is fine.

XElite1091 votes

Please go play test it in practice tool and tell me the numbers bro. And yes, Tiamat does have an aa reset....becasue your q consumes your auto attack timer so using hydra will cancel the cool down and thus give you an additional auto attack.

PhDs Nuts1 votes

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Please go play test it in practice tool and tell me the numbers bro. And yes, Tiamat does have an aa reset....becasue your q consumes your auto attack timer so using hydra will cancel the cool down and thus give you an additional auto attack.

Q is an auto attack reset, not Tiamat. You can cancel the Tiamat animation during an AA or an ability, but it isn't a reset.

XElite1091 votes

Sorry then its an auto attack refresh and animation cancel. but still the dps off it is higher in earlier levels vs without for the same gold. the advantage I see off the dusk start is that the item finishes quicker so you can abuse the decoy stealth dmg. but for the same gold Tiamat is better.

Its All Skillzz1 votes

Ive been on the receving end of a decent wu kong, even behind he is not fun to face as any squishy, and when ahead he is almost as bad as a fed rengar. idc if he cant deal with tanks or people who arent squishy, he does more than enough damage if he started 1 shotting malphites then theres a problem. just get over the fact your champ cant 1 shot everything that walks. his combo has 0 counterplay. as its all point an click an does insane burst that you cant even flash out of.

Comparing him to irelia is stupid as she is broken as hell but it dont matter you dont make another champion more broken than some already are, you fucking bring down the ones that are to strong to lvl of ones that are weaker. constantly buffing damage or nerfing an item then giving compensation buffs to everyone whose used that item is pretty much how we got to the point were there is way to much fucking damage in the game.

XElite1091 votes

Well that sucks for you that you got raped by a wu kong and im truly sorry he extended his pole too deep into you to for you not to hate the champ but like I've already said he has a lot of issues he needs to deal with before getting to that 1 shot stage. the one thing that feels weak about wu is his level 6 ultimate dmg apart from that his kit is fine. Wu's wave clear is really weak compared to champs like Renekton, Darius, Garen, and irelia but he needs those weaknesses so those champs get a chance to get big before him. wukong has a very poor amounts of mana so using your e q to punish too many times can really put you at big disadvantage. wu's abilities make him have to hard engage which gives the laner time to retaliate and can make him take minion damage. Even if you use decoy which will remove agro most champs top have enough cc to make it ineffective as a disengage and punish you for doing it. But the thing is Wu scales harder then these dudes (except irelia she is just broken) and it would be unfair if he could pop off and just snowball on everything but he shouldn't just be taken completely out of the game because of these guys being able to abuse his weakness. Maybe it is just me but I think his level 6 dmg isn't satisfying enough compared to other bruisers, and assasins. your level 6 should be a big power spike for the champion but in a even skill match up where everyone is using their kits as efficiently as possible he just feels like he loses out.

5050BS1 votes

Wu is STUPID storong right now.

item 3078 item 3095 item 3147 item 3814 item 3142 means 1500 true damage Q's on anyone not a tank.

XElite1091 votes

that can be used on Alot of other champs to do the same thing.

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