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Can we fix Pyke.

XElite109·4/13/2019, 11:45:01 PM·13 votes·5,425 views

Im fine with him hurting but he does too much for an assassin. q is like a blitz pull with a slow, so that provides very strong utility. He has an in and out dash that stuns for 2 seconds and has really hard cc, a lot can be done in 2 seconds so it really difficulty to deal with him also being able to freely ult. As a champion he just feels kinda unfair and unfun to play against. He regains like a mad man and can easily get out with invisibility as he dashes away and on top of that he can use after shock which just breaks him. right now he's doing the whole lissandra thing and find it disgusting that he can get away with it.

so here's a few suggestions.

1: make him get punished for using his dash as an escape.

basically do the thresh thing where your rewarded for landing death sentence with lower cds, but if you use it to runaway as Pyke the cd should be doubled to stop him from being a nuisance.

2: lower the ultimates width: his ultimate is incredibly powerful but Its too easy to hit. your we should be given more space to enter the open areas of the x. so why not make the x bigger but lower the width that way he still has leeway with and can even hit form a further range it but if he messes up and doesn't center it, you will be able to dodge it.

16 Comments

Shmeeve4/14/2019, 12:23:55 AM5 votes

Compared to a lot of other assassins, pyke actually does a lot less then I see from other assassins.

limebuster4/14/2019, 9:02:09 AM5 votes

I believe his q and e provide good counterplay, I dislike his W but I just tend to back off if I get the warning symbol around my champ, I really don’t like his passive because I can never ignite him and his r is probably fair but I just hate it XD, I do agree with u that he is too slippery but I think it’s the nature of him and it’s probably better not to chase him

Literal IRL Tree4/14/2019, 12:59:01 AM5 votes

Pyke if anything is underpowered not too strong man

Kulle Aid4/14/2019, 6:35:53 PM4 votes

cause I main him. I defend him. but you can even see on op.gg that his stats globally aren't the best. only one rune page basically benefits him. and his damage is lackluster. if he has second to most damage on a team then something is wrong. like a brand or zyra support will do. but usually hes the least damage on a team with the second most kills because he just goes to ks people.

his stun is only 1 sec btw. it scales once its late game and you have lethality which is why he builds it. he was forced into that build path just to keep up. like when he used to start a frozen heart now you wont see that item ever, only lethality with a ga to top it off basically.

but what do I know. im barely gold and main the dude

DontLewdOrianna4/14/2019, 1:21:18 PM4 votes

I think Pyke is way too safe for what he does, he has 2 insanely good escapes, his w is too instant, it lasts too long, his passive healing is also stupidly fast. And the stun hitbox on his e needs to be easier to see.

hrooza dota 4/14/2019, 1:43:22 PM3 votes

pyke dont really hurt, at least if he dont have items unlike zyra/brand.

he is an aggressive all in support like leona/blitz/alister but he lack tankness so he get slippery and unlike thresh/blitz/leona/alister his peeling suck shit. i think he is extremely fair but tricky to deal with a little.

thefatlazycat4/14/2019, 1:23:54 PM3 votes

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Im fine with him hurting but he does too much for an assassin. q is like a blitz pull with a slow, so that provides very strong utility. He has an in and out dash that stuns for 2 seconds and has really hard cc, a lot can be done in 2 seconds so it really difficulty to deal with him also being able to freely ult. As a champion he just feels kinda unfair and unfun to play against. He regains like a mad man and can easily get out with invisibility as he dashes away and on top of that he can use after shock which just breaks him. right now he's doing the whole lissandra thing and find it disgusting that he can get away with it.

so here's a few suggestions.

1: make him get punished for using his dash as an escape.

basically do the thresh thing where your rewarded for landing death sentence with lower cds, but if you use it to runaway as Pyke the cd should be doubled to stop him from being a nuisance.

2: lower the ultimates width: his ultimate is incredibly powerful but Its too easy to hit. your we should be given more space to enter the open areas of the x. so why not make the x bigger but lower the width that way he still has leeway with and can even hit form a further range it but if he messes up and doesn't center it, you will be able to dodge it.

First, he does the least damage of any assassin and most supports too. Secondly his Q is in almost all ways worse than a blitz Q, it has less pull, less range, a windup and loud noise, the only things it has are the slow and the over-the-shoulder mechanic. Thirdly, Pyke's dash is not in-and-out, the cooldown is far too high for that, also the stun is 1.25+.1 lethality, it is nearly impossible to build enough lethality to get a two second stun, and if pyke did he'd be lacking in all his other departments as a consequence to that silly build. Pyke has a pretty high skill curve and has some sufficient counterplay, you just need to learn. Aftershock abuse is aftershock abuse, that's an aftershock problem, not a Lissandra/Pyke problem.

Now onto your suggestions, firstly punishing Pyke for using his dash as an escape, why? that's the silliest thing I've ever heard, it's a dash, it's meant to be an engage/disengage tool.

Reduce the ultimate width. "his ultimate is incredibly powerful but Its too easy to hit." of course his ultimate is powerful, it's a large part of his power budget, and if you think it's too easy to hit then please, try playing pyke and let's see how you do because I feel like you've never even played Pyke in your life and have no idea how demanding that champ can be.

Please just play Pyke a bit so you can see how difficult he is and how wrong these statements are

Sydelle4/14/2019, 6:27:18 PM3 votes

A lot of people mention Puke's windup as a reason that he is "balanced." I'm sure Certainly T can jerkoff to reading comments like that, excuses that he himself used to sell this monster as "balanced," HOWEVER, this from an MF main, IS PYKE PLANTING HIS AIM OR EVEN HIS UN-HEELED certainly smelly FEET DURING THE WINDUP? No. The certainly true answer is that I plant my aim and my feet for my ULT as MF but this CERTAIN ASSHOLE champ does NOT... for a BASIC ability. Windup? What's the fregging use of a windup except for an AESTHETIC CERTAINLY MANIPULATIVE excuse to overload a champion (same as ALL his designed champs) UNLESS it certainly roots and certainly commits to aim? Let's talk real. The windup means nothin except for the weakest of slows and CERTAINLY T is certain ASSHOLE who I wish stays at Riot a REAL long time cause I don't want HIS level of design suck to spread to my future games. KEEP THAT MONSTER AWAY FROM ULTRA SECRET NEW GAME PROJECTS. Have I said this enough? CERTAIN ASSHOLE! And CT, if you're reading this, How you sleep at night with this monster on the loose on the rift proves you're a CERTAIN SADIST and a MONSTER yourself. ASSHOLE. Now let me get personal and tell you what I really think of you.

BOUNTY ON YOUR HEAD!

I'm half joking with this Puke rage because I know all he will certainly do is LAUGH about it. After all, it's not HIS STRUTTING feet-planted and aiming certainly true REDHEAD that SITS OUT EVERY CHAMPIONSHIP. No, he's out there jerking off to FAKE CERTAINLY MOVING "windups" as he casually waits for a championship skin on PUKE.

Hotarµ4/14/2019, 6:38:00 PM2 votes

IMO, the only thing that needs to be "fixed" surrounding Pyke is his passive's interaction with Ignite. I think it's stupid that someone can Ignite me and I press W to survive. Doesn't feel like I outplayed anyone, it just feels cheap.

2: lower the ultimates width: his ultimate is incredibly powerful but Its too easy to hit.

This honestly just shows me you've never played Pyke for more than a few games at most.

Not only is the hitbox very tight to begin with, it's got the added downfall of having a delay. 99.9% of champions take Flash which is the easiest way to juke his ult.

Plenty of meta champions can dodge it with ease like Yasuo, Riven, Zed, Lucian, Kai'sa, Ahri, Xayah, Vladimir, Sylas, Vayne, hell, even Udyr and Zilean can straight up walk out of his ultimate hitbox if they've got enough points in their Es.

Heals absolutely massacre Pyke, so a well timed Sona W, Soraka W, Summoner Heal, or any other ability can easily shut down his ultimate as well. Sona is one of Pyke's hardest counters ATM for that very reason. (That, and he dies within a second of being CCed)

Stasis hits him harder than any other champion. If he misses an ult, his teamfight effectiveness is cut in half. A well timed Kayle/Zilean ult or Zhonya's does wonders.

Secretly a Phos4/15/2019, 11:45:28 PM1 votes

Pyke isn't really an issue. His ult is easily countered and you can dodge his q and ult. At worst he's hard to kill, but for that to be the case your entire team has to have no burst and no cc. He can't build health and if he builds armor or mr he fails at doing damage.

If anything, Vayne is a worse offender. She's like the champion version of kleptomancy. Either she's a handicap or she's stronger than she has any right to be.

SashaLynch5/13/2019, 7:42:03 PM1 votes

So, I've been looking at these kinds of threads and the like, wanted to see if Pyke was actually OP so I got him. And I've gotta say, he's really not overpowered. His E needs to be an escape, because he can't survive anything being thrown at him. His W also needs to be an escape - again, if he gets CC'd it's a pointless ability, and it has a huge cooldown just like the rest of his kit. His Q is super telegraphed, super easy to dodge, and doesn't do a huge amount of damage either. His passive is fifty percent just his health being nerfed (fourteen max HP to one AD is terrible, and I can absolutely understand why it's terrible. It's not there to incentivize him buying HP items, it's to make him not do that) and fifty percent his only way to deal with opposing champions like Brand, Zyra, Heimerdinger, Sona, or the like. Their poke would shred him and his easily dodged hyper telegraphed moves if he didn't have his passive. He can't poke on the level of most supports (not even Soraka or Braum) and so he needs a way to heal himself. If you take relic shield on him, you take more damage than you get healing just trying to get a minion. He's in a fairly good place if you know how to play him and know what you're doing against him. I really disagree with nerfing him.